S7Ep5: Gryzzlbox!

The robots are here! Leslie laughed at Ben's novel when he said it was coming, but it's true! Today, we talk about the dangers of social media, AI, how data mining isn't always illegal, but how it's definitely NOT CHILL. We also get a fantastic Ben moment with standing up for Pawnee and owning up to his actions, we love you Ben! Plus fantastic deleted scens of scared-Ben-on-TV, Andy and Morris, you weirdo. 😂

 Leslie works on getting Ron on board to take down Gryzzle, while also holding one of the best town halls. Tom uses his crying for good to get Andy a better deal on Johnny Karate and Lucy and Tom see sparks fly! Oh, plus April gets some foreshadowing on job descriptions she likes? (while also ruining Jen's chances, but we'll let it slide)

AND THANK YOU SHULIE COWEN! For the sweet voice notes on your memories, and sharing your UCB times working with Amy, how fun! So glad you could join! 

UCB Trailer with Shulie's voice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1ZAPDYg-cE&t=136s

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Sources: 

https://www.databricks.com/blog/what-is-data-mining 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3785430/?ref_=ttep_ep_5

https://greatlakesemmys.tv/

https://www.screenskills.com/skills-checklists/scripted-film-and-tv/assistant-directors-department/first-assistant-director-1st-ad-skills/

Transcript

Holly (00:32.408)
Okay. All right, everyone. Well, welcome on in. It is season seven, episode five. This is an amazing episode as well. We really are in the deep throes of great episodes, back to back, grizzle box. And side note, I'm just gonna do a disclaimer that you might hear a baby in the background because we live lives. We have our we have our lives and

Holly (01:01.13)
It's not my baby. nothing happened.

Madi (01:02.781)
Yeah.

baby is okay. The baby has separation anxiety.

Holly (01:12.238)
Like as I was saying that I was like, do people are people gonna think that I had a baby? But no, it's not me. but yeah, so you guys have heard him before and he's a star, so he's already he's not making royalties yet, but he will soon. But anyhow, so just a heads up on that front. but yes, great episode. I love this so much.

Madi (01:12.83)
Huh?

Madi (01:16.231)
Yeah.

Madi (01:26.076)
Yeah.

Holly (01:33.421)
this was written by Donick Carey, who we've seen so many times before, not only on parks, but on a lot of great shows that we love. and I did a little bit of a breakdown, but just a reminder, like I did a breakdown previously when he's written. but just a reminder that he got his start writing for David Letterman. He wrote for The Simpsons, which, you know, we've learned a lot that The Simpsons has a lot of parks crossover. he also wrote for AP Bio, Silicon Valley, which lends itself greatly to this episode of a tech company that we're talking about.

Madi (02:01.393)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (02:02.798)
and then for parks, he's written Doppelgangers, which we love that episode. One in 8000, which is the one where Leslie learns that she's pregnant. and then this will be his last writing credit on parks. So what a way to go out. This is perfect.

Madi (02:16.187)
Yeah, for sure. I love this because I think we're starting to get into the plot. Like the plot thickens here and it's really cool. So we had a resolution of the Ron and Leslie and now the plot is thickening around this park.

Holly (02:22.382)
Mm. Yeah.

Holly (02:33.964)
Yeah, totally. and then this was directed by Amy Polar. How exciting. yeah. As we know, she directed a couple of episodes already. So she directed the debate episode and she wrote that one too. So lots of good things there. but she also directed Article Two, which we also know as Ted Party Day. and then this will be her last time directing parks, which is wow, lots of lasts. So crazy. But yeah, great team for this episode.

Madi (02:38.767)
Aww, that's awesome.

Madi (03:00.079)
Yeah.

Yeah, strong team, I love it.

Holly (03:05.3)
Mm. Okay, I'm ready for a summary, whenever.

Madi (03:08.557)
Okay, here we go. Leslie, Donna, and Ben get disconcerting boxes of secret gifts which lead Ben and Leslie into investigating if Grizzle is data mining. Tom distracts himself from missing Lucy by becoming Andy's talent agent. Ron might be switching sides, and April tries to scare away the new interns.

Holly (03:27.5)
Yes. There's a lot of story in here. a lot of a big shift from last episode when we didn't get much of a story. Or not, you know, story, but we didn't get much like A and B stories and stuff. So I think that's a really interesting way to move on, you know? Like you said, the plot thickens.

Madi (03:30.491)
Yeah.

Madi (03:45.533)
Yes, yeah, it felt very busy because of that, I think, because the last episode was one room, one story.

Holly (03:48.503)
Right.

Holly (03:53.293)
Right, totally. Okay, so we start this episode with Leslie and Ben staring at a board that they've made titled How to Defeat Grizzle. And again, we saw this last week with her murder investigation board as to why slash how her and Ron fell out. So this is just kind of continuing on her investigation story. but now we're getting back to Grizzle, like to the Grizzle world, because we haven't really talked about them, especially with last episode.

I mean, we talked about Grizzle a little bit, obviously, with why they broke up their friendship, but now we're getting to back to the competing over the land with her and Ron. and so Leslie has this funny moment which I feel like you and I both can relate to sometimes after things like after we've tried so hard and worked so hard, which is like, whatever, it's pointless, I give up. And Leslie's just like, let's call it a spade a spade. I'm up against ninety million dollars. And it's true because her argument is literally just please give it to me.

Madi (04:48.816)
Yeah, yeah, it's so true. And it's so funny because it shows you how much time and energy she spent on this because it's not her initial reaction, like it's not ours, to say, give up. So it just shows how much energy she's put into it already to be like, I guess it's done.

Holly (05:00.887)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (05:06.432)
We did it. We tried. We're good. Yeah, totally. I think that's a great point. And Ben is being his classic, nice and supportive self and saying, Hey, you know what? You've bait you've beat bigger odds. They're just th they're a company. They can't be that powerful. And I I'm I'm like, Ben, I think you know the power of companies. I don't but okay, that's really sweet of you. And then Leslie gets a notification on her phone that says, Open your door, dude. I wrote dude in all caps. I was like, my God.

Madi (05:08.19)
Yeah.

Madi (05:35.07)
Not okay. Not okay.

Holly (05:36.355)
This shit is wild that it's twenty fifteen in that l like how far we've come. And I mean, the tech world was just starting to do like the data mining, the algorithm shit on social media. I mean, it was doing it before, but I feel like it just got so heavy around this time and it started being more creepy, if you will, and more noticeable to the consumer. Because I think at for at at the beginning I feel like it was not something that the consumer really knew was happening unless you like

Madi (05:58.047)
Yeah.

Holly (06:05.4)
just had a lot of knowledge around that. But I feel like with this, it's just we're starting to notice now. The consumer is starting to notice. And anyhow, so and so she opens the door to a drone from Grizzle and she makes a joke kind of, but she's serious where she's like, the robots have come for for us. Your novel has come true. I made fun of you when you said it would happen. Yep.

Madi (06:16.294)
Yeah.

Madi (06:27.398)
Yeah.

So funny. Yeah, but here we are.

Holly (06:35.07)
Ugh, and then we've got Roscoe's voice from Grizzle in there saying, Hey, Leslie Nope. And this takes it a step further because, you know, we have robots delivering things to people now, which is wild. I mean, that is a prediction that I think was probably pretty easy to make simply because of where we are with technology and all these kinds of things. but we it's it just it's further than that though. Even more that's more so than drones, because like now we have robot.

robot like humanoids doing like TikTok dances and you know, self driving cars. And I didn't realize because I was curious if Amazon or any other delivery person company has done this before. and 2024, I read that Amazon did test this, delivering packages via drones, but I don't believe that we have s like stayed with that. Like I don't think they've done that, you know, as much. So

Madi (07:27.112)
seen it. Yeah.

Holly (07:31.136)
But we do have and I'm sure people have seen, especially if you live in LA, New York, the bigger cities, we do have those robot delivery services where they're delivering food and they're on the sidewalk, they're bumping into people and poles and all these kinds of things, stopping traffic when they do crosswalks, like wild. So that's the I think equivalent of the drones.

Madi (07:49.109)
Yeah.

Yeah, we have those in Tempe, Arizona as well. And yeah, they're crazy looking. And like, there's gotta be so much that goes into the drone situation. Like I bet you would get there. There's just a lot of things they haven't worked through yet. So yeah, it's just crazy. Yeah.

Holly (08:06.888)
Right. my God. So crazy. Ugh. And drones are scary, I feel, if they were to come right well, they're already scary when you see them flying. Like we've seen them, you know, just flying to cause they do satellite GPS kind of stuff with it. but so when they come right to your door, and that's a big fucking drone right in front of your front store front door rather, and I'm like front doorstep. my gosh. So yeah, I understand Leslie's fear. That too. my god.

Madi (08:20.946)
Yeah.

Madi (08:31.678)
It's a scary sound that it makes. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I, I... No, I was just gonna say, I think the first time I was ever like scared of like this, this kind of stuff where like the information is coming from different places and like, oh my gosh, are people watching me? Is in 2018, I was trying to buy plane tickets and I was using my phone, my work computer.

Holly (08:36.656)
And go ahead.

Madi (08:58.994)
had no link, like my email wasn't linked into my work computer or anything like that. And on my work computer, it popped up as an ad one day for where I was trying to buy plane tickets for. And I was like, excuse you, how do you know that these two things are the same people and why are you paying attention to that? That's what I'm looking for.

Holly (09:20.15)
Right. So crazy, right? my gosh. And I did do a little bit of a breakdown on data mining, when we get there. So it's still so much like gray area though. It's crazy. and so I was gonna say, like, you know, so we've got like the data mining that is, you know, not consent, or, you know, like you might be nefarious. But this is like

Madi (09:23.239)
Yeah.

Madi (09:28.088)
good.

Madi (09:31.857)
Yeah.

Holly (09:43.939)
Gifts. This is free gifts. Like this is a fun thing, technically. So that's how they're manipulating, and which is almost even more nefarious in a way, you know what mean? Which is wild. So.

Madi (09:51.698)
Yeah.

Yeah, crazy.

Holly (09:57.219)
So now Tom's Bistro. Andy is testing out a new dish. I love this. The camera zooms into Tom's face reading all the ingredients and how the ingredients are imported and all these fancy things. And then we pan back to Andy and he has just eaten the whole thing in like two minutes, not even recognizing how like the flavor palette and all the cool things that Tom is trying to get across.

Madi (10:10.523)
haha

Madi (10:18.502)
Yeah, no, he's definitely not paying attention to any of that. He does not care. It's food. Free food was placed in front of him and he's going to eat it.

Holly (10:25.24)
Correct. The end. so the reason that he's testing out these new dishes is because Lucy is visiting her boyfriend in Chicago, so he's distracting himself with work. And so, you know, and on that note, Andy gives Tom a contract from his studio where he does the Johnny Karate show. And the contract says that the station is going to own the character Johnny Karate. And like, no, he made that name, he created that name.

Madi (10:52.188)
Yeah, I think there's a lot of contracts. Like I know when I was a teacher, it's like anything that you create while you work there belongs to the company. But he created Johnny Karate before he was ever a TV show. Like he brought it with him. So it's that's yeah, I don't like it. I'm like, no, that's his like, let him let him keep it. He needs a lawyer.

Holly (11:01.322)
I know.

Holly (11:06.871)
Yeah.

Holly (11:14.986)
Yeah. I know, exactly. And that's where the negotiating the contract after the contract is up could come into play. But yeah, I mean typically when I mean look, I'm not as, you know, into the like in the weeds of the entertainment industry lawyer law side, I feel. but the contract typically will say, like, even if you created it before, like

If you sign on to do this show, it's ours now, essentially. And a lot of times though, with contracts, they'll they'll pay you for the rights. Like they will give you a h hefty sum, typically. It's probably not enough 'cause it's like, you know, Johnny Karate and or like whatever the character is. but h typically they'll pay you for the rights to it. and then you can kind of just leave thinking, Well, at least I got the money kind of thing. but

Madi (11:51.944)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (12:01.821)
Yeah.

Holly (12:03.372)
Then we learn that he only makes a hundred dollars for the whole entire week to do all of these things. And it was so like meta for me personally. But honestly, I'm sure that every industry has some version of this. But for me as an artist and all my friends that are artists and musicians and actors and stuff that just like literally do every single thing. I mean me with this podcast, this is how you know, I was just like, my god, you have this laundry list of tasks that you do and you only get paid a hundred dollars.

Madi (12:31.902)
Mm-mm. Yeah.

Holly (12:33.134)
And I was like, my God, everything and that and then we learn later on that he's a janitor as well and I'm just like, my gosh, that was so hilarious and and also heartbreaking.

Madi (12:43.13)
Yeah, so heartbreaking. I'm actually genuinely surprised that April hasn't caught this because she was his like agent of sorts back when Johnny Karate began and she was always negotiating his fee. So I'm really surprised that that's all he makes because I would think that April would be like, excuse you. No.

Holly (12:47.946)
Yeah, that's true.

Holly (12:56.791)
Yeah.

Holly (13:03.094)
Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I wonder if he's even shown it to her. I don't know. Yeah. But also then she wasn't really as involved with her job too, you know? So but still, no, that's a good point that yeah. Well anyhow, it's really funny too that his reaction is like, Well, I mean, I do all these things and it's pretty fair. And he drives everyone home at the end, so he's basically all of the yeah, he's all of the crew, essentially. my god.

Madi (13:07.016)
Yeah.

Madi (13:12.232)
So true, yeah.

Madi (13:24.753)
Yeah.

Madi (13:28.091)
I can't.

Holly (13:32.857)
But at the same time I was kind of psychoanalyzing this, which whatever. Well, maybe it's not psychoanalyzing, just analyzing in general. he's still operating at the level of being in his rock band. Like they didn't get paid much, probably, if anything, but maybe some tr free drinks at the bar or like some food or something. But he is kind of just operating at like, well, I've always kind of done this regardless, and he doesn't understand that like you've moved up to a different level now and a different task and

you know, different level of service I feel for this position. And so I think he's just happy to be doing it, which is also such a meta thing for me too, because that's kind of a trope that a lot of like the bad producers and the bad like that's the bad Hollywood side where it's like, you well, you should just be happy to be here. You should just be lucky that you got the part because this is such a competitive area and competitive industry that, well, at least you got the part. Who cares if you're getting paid your actual fee? And that's like what literally people have said

And I mean, again, that's the bad Hollywood side. That is not representative of all of Hollywood or all of Parks. But still, like that's fucked. And so, yeah. And so, but at the same time, and what I always remind like young artists too is like this is and like, yes, you have to pay your dues, whatever. But I i what I have to remind myself of too is like this, it is work. What we do, the podcast even, the music,

Madi (14:32.873)
huh. Not everybody.

Madi (14:39.164)
Yeah. No, yeah, I hate that.

Madi (14:54.814)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (14:59.16)
Preparing all that stuff, it is actually work. It's not a hobby. I mean, it is like it's a weird gray area where it can be a little bit of both, but like it's a lot of work and energy. And Andy is putting in so much time of his life to only to not be getting compensated for it is absurd.

Madi (15:15.123)
Yeah.

Madi (15:19.006)
Well, I think it's the same side of being an athlete. It's like, just because you love what you're doing doesn't mean it's a hobby. Like you still work really hard to get there. You still work hard to maintain it. It's not like you make the premier league and then you don't practice soccer anymore, right? Like you're still playing. You're still practicing to get better and better. It's the same thing with music. mean, athletes get paid pretty well. Depending on the, yeah, they do. Depending on the sport too. But it's like, you

Holly (15:21.74)
Mm-hmm. yeah, sure.

Holly (15:27.064)
Yeah.

Holly (15:34.614)
Mm. Yeah.

Holly (15:42.402)
They get paid way more.

Well, and also depend on the level, because like A list actors get paid probably as much as athletes too, so yeah. Or like the A list athletes, yeah, whatever.

Madi (15:49.915)
Right, true. yeah, easily. Yeah. And it's, but it's, like, you can't use that as an excuse. Well, you're lucky because you get to do what you, what you love. Like, no, I'm not lucky. Do you know how many hours I've put in to get to this level? Like I should be compensated for being as good as I am.

Holly (16:05.152)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (16:08.822)
Yeah, totally. And I mean it'd be and this is totally again just like my journey, whatever, so skip ahead if you need to. But it just it like it'd be naive, especially for acting, but also probably for athletic, you know, endeavors. I feel like it it'd be naive to say that luck wasn't a portion of some of it. because there is luck involved with any success, I think, personally. But that doesn't negate the hard work that you've put in, the people and the networking and the like

Madi (16:25.862)
Yeah.

Holly (16:37.452)
the time that you've put in to really hone your craft and to be good at what you do and to like the amount of hours that you spend to like be on the field all that time to get to that place, I feel like it's not, you know, it's not all luck, but it's not all the other side either, if that makes sense. So the point is that it's work. It's still work. And if we lived in a land where money was not a thing, okay, maybe sure. We would just let it go. But

Madi (16:48.296)
Yeah.

Madi (16:54.514)
Yeah.

Madi (16:58.769)
It is work.

Holly (17:06.668)
You know, you expect to be paid at your regular job, you expect to be paid if you're any other profession, so why wouldn't you be paid for this work too, you know? That's not to say we're doing rocket science, okay? I understand there are different levels of knowledge, but you get it.

Madi (17:14.994)
Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

Holly (17:23.852)
All right. Anyway, so thank you for l that whole little tangent. anyhow. So, let's see. Tom is like, This is perfect. This is gonna be a great distraction to get his mind off Lucy. He's gonna help Andy by being an agent, essentially, with his project, you know, contract situation. And agents do negotiate contracts. So, I mean, I I think a lawyer would be helpful if the agent needed help. But yeah, the agents do negotiate. So that's it like they're representing the

the talent, if you will. So that makes sense. But I Andy should probably get a manager, I feel, at least. You know, with ha what he's with all of the things that he's doing.

Madi (18:02.163)
I'm surprised he doesn't have one. I mean, I guess it's, I'm actually surprised that there's like an agency or like a studio that has this guy in Pawnee. Like you'd think he'd have to go to like Indianapolis or something for this, yeah, yeah, I'm surprised.

Holly (18:04.162)
I know.

Holly (18:09.773)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (18:13.409)
Yeah. Right.

Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah. I mean and and and he is new Andy is newer to this like world. and by new, I just mean like a new idea of having done this. He's not green by any means. He's been doing entertainment and kids' parties and stuff and rock bands forever, but he's newer to the idea of this being a business, right? Like he always thinks this is he just thinks this is a hobby and but now he's he doesn't quite understand that this is a jo his job now, you know. Which, yeah.

Madi (18:31.945)
Yeah.

Madi (18:45.929)
Yeah.

Holly (18:46.722)
So I'm glad I know that it wasn't really like intentional necessarily, but I'm glad that Tom is gonna negotiate some for him. So now we've got Donna meeting with Leslie, and she says she also got a grizzle box and she sounds annoyed slash mad about it because her free gifts were honey bears and sugar plums, which is very precious because that is the sh the names that her and Joe call each other, which is so cute. But

Madi (18:52.647)
Yeah, I agree.

Madi (19:02.035)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (19:11.687)
So cute.

Holly (19:12.948)
L like you said, with your travel situation, they only call each other those names on the phone or via text. So how could they possibly know that? She was not doing that on social media or anywhere public. So how could they know that? And then we come to the conclusion that they are probably, most certainly, data mining, aka looking at your phone, your algorithm, all the things, catering their products to you. And in today's world like I said, in today's world, like

I feel like it's so normal to do that now. and I will say, like I said, that's the that's like the like the hard thing about this because it's like, is it that bad? Because at least it's like good stuff that that they're sending. Whereas the stuff that we see now are these targeted ads that really make you like lose your mind. Like I cannot tell you the amount of like medical ads and stuff I get because I have GI issues as

Madi (19:45.395)
Yeah.

Madi (19:55.305)
Yeah.

Madi (19:59.837)
Yeah.

Holly (20:08.108)
most people know, I feel. And so I'm always getting targeted ads, 'cause I always like look up stuff about how to, you know, help that probiotics, all these things. And I'm like, my God, I'm getting so many things about I've made a list. I actually made a list of like all the targeted things that people said that like the reason you're fat or the reason you're like feeling bad in your gut or whatever. And it's like everything from PCOS to

Madi (20:14.58)
Yeah.

Holly (20:34.54)
just like pelvic flora issues to cortisol to all these different things and it's really fucks with your brain because you're like, my God, maybe I do have that. Maybe I and I'm not saying that it's not impossible for you to have those things, but the shit that gets in your head and this like skinny talk and all these like fitness bullshit, it's and like selling all of these supplements and stuff or GLPs when you don't actually need them. Oof, it gets my gears going.

Madi (20:42.931)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (21:03.508)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (21:03.726)
'Cause I'm just like I'm so mad at these people sometimes. Cause sometimes they are nefarious and they actually have never tried the product. And sometimes they aren't. sometimes they're like, This is what worked for me and I like that, whatever. So you've got to have some sort of like inner monologue of like, This is separate from my life. I need to do what's right for me, that kind of stuff. But there are a lot of people where you don't have that inner monologue, especially if you're young and you're being targeted. I mean, come on.

Madi (21:09.086)
Yeah.

Madi (21:20.628)
Yep.

Madi (21:27.593)
huh. my gosh. Well and you've lived your whole life with access to a phone and like a cell phone, not a flip phone. it's, yeah I just see a lot of that being a problem because it's also easy to just stare at your phone for two straight hours and not realize that two straight hours have gone by and you've now consumed all these different ads and all these different things trying to sway you to think a different way or yeah, it's crazy.

Holly (21:32.611)
Mm.

Holly (21:37.944)
Yeah.

Holly (21:48.172)
Yes.

Holly (21:53.303)
Yes. Yeah, and I I mean I said yeah, like it is yeah, I I said that it younger people have more maybe more tendencies, but also when you're older and you've maybe lived your whole life having like body image issues or mental issues or whatever it is, like you are very easily swayed when someone tells you like this worked and you should do it and it costs five hundred dollars. You know what I mean? 'Cause it's like sometimes people are desperate and it's like, yeah, maybe five hundred dollars is worth it to feel better, you know? So it's like

Madi (22:15.379)
Yeah.

Holly (22:22.602)
Yeah, you really have to do your research and try to have be a little bit separate from it. But it's hard, dude. Ugh my God. Yeah. Anyways. And yeah, I mean there's been studies. There's been there's a whole little documentary on that about like how they get into your brain and really persuade you, you know? It's manipulation. But also I love TikTok in in the same way. So it's it's so hard because I learn a lot from it too. Like I have kind of catered my algorithm a little bit to find like

Madi (22:28.723)
Yeah, it is.

Madi (22:41.915)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Holly (22:52.404)
knowledge and information. Like I learn about a lot about history. There are a lot of count of accounts that talk about like biblical hiss historians and which I th I find interesting because the Bible was not written by historians and I'm very interested in like the actual history and you know, I mean I'm not gonna go on the t tangent of all my stuff but my algorithm. But I just yeah, I it's it's a double edged sword. It can be very good and very bad.

Madi (23:06.227)
we are.

Madi (23:19.133)
Yeah, yeah, like a lot, like a lot of things. Exactly. There's pros and cons, yeah, exactly like you said. So, yeah.

Holly (23:22.358)
Yeah. Totally. Yeah. And like you said, everything in moderation, it's kinda like food where you can't get addicted to it. But you yeah. Right. Yeah. Great analogy. Yeah.

Madi (23:31.015)
Yeah, and you can't have ice cream for breakfast, lunch and dinner, but you can have it after your dinner, right? Like it's, know, know, treat yourself, but it's like, you know, I, I try my best and I'm not always successful, but when I walk in the door after work, I try to leave my phone in my bedroom or like right at the door so that I can still, I still have access to it if I need it. Like I usually FaceTime my mom so she can see Killian or whatever, but it's like, I try to not be holding it and like on it.

Holly (23:54.763)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (24:00.721)
once I get home because I'm like, Killian hasn't seen me all day. It's like, I need to be here present. And if you start, I've learned it's so hard to stop and get out of it. And you're like, just one more video, just one more video, just one more video. Yeah.

Holly (24:07.064)
Mm-hmm.

It is totally yes. I need to be better at not looking at it immediately when I wake up. I'm very guilty of that. Cause it also like it's so hard because I think it helps me wake up a little. Cause it gets me in the like Yeah. And so but I need to not do that.

Madi (24:19.439)
yeah. You know what?

Madi (24:24.679)
Yeah, your brain has to pay attention. And it's hard because, yeah, and it's hard because you, I don't know about you, but I set my alarm on my phone. So it's like, I have to reach my phone, reach and grab my phone to turn off my alarm. And then it's just there. You know? Yeah. Got to find something to replace it with.

Holly (24:35.413)
Yeah, me too.

Holly (24:40.522)
Absolutely. my God. And it's a nice way to relax at night. Yeah. Yes, I know. You gotta find something to replace it with. my god. Or like like you said, moderation. Anyway. All right. So let's see here. where did I yeah, okay. So Leslie opens hers because we're trying to figure out what exactly was in her box and it's Biden's book, which is so funny. Biden the Rails.

Madi (24:52.457)
Mm-hmm, yes.

Madi (25:06.676)
Great.

Holly (25:10.51)
And a poster of the Supreme Court Justices sipping the friends milkshake, which yes, this stuff is perfect for her. And it proves this donna's point that they are looking for information and kind of creating profiles on everybody so that they can send them what they would like. which also this is a funny prediction for or not funny, but it it's a prediction from the Parks writers that Anton and Scalia is not pictured in the Supreme Court justices and

Madi (25:32.199)
Mmm.

Holly (25:34.371)
'Cause this episode is set in twenty seventeen, they predicted that he would no longer be on the court because he was o ki older. and he did pass away in twenty sixteen. Wild, which this was filmed in twenty fourteen, but it aired in twenty fifteen and and so he died a year later and then it's based a year after that. Isn't that wild? I mean, i i it's like kinda what Mike Sher said when you were doing the breakdown on

Madi (25:42.249)
Mm-hmm.

Wow.

Madi (25:53.447)
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

Madi (25:59.263)
Mm.

Holly (25:59.841)
The prediction of the Cubs where he's like, you know, we're not wizards. That probably did happen or would happen because it seems like the you know, he was older or whatever. but still educated guesses, yeah. But still, but still, I think they are wizards. Don't you lie to me. We're being lied to. Don't you guess like me into thinking that you're a normal human.

Madi (26:04.935)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, they made educated guesses. Yeah.

Madi (26:14.641)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, they're smart. Yeah.

Yeah, come on now.

Holly (26:24.982)
Anyway, so Ben says this is illegal and a huge invasion of privacy. And in true Ben fashion, he remembers everything that he did. He says that he made sure there was langu language preventing this in their contract when they gave Pawnee free Wi-Fi. and then yeah, the illegal com comment. This is where okay, this is where I did my breakdown. Okay, are you ready? It's a little bit long, but we can talk through it. Okay, so this is where it made me question is data mining really illegal? Because if it is, then damn, we

Madi (26:35.785)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (26:43.871)
Okay, good. I'm here for it.

Holly (26:53.526)
Every a law is being broken every fucking day. How is that possible? Because of all the things that we've mentioned before. And so I found a website that I will post in the show notes that kind of breaks this down in like layman's terms. But basically, data mining is not illegal by default. It's widely used across industries and is legal when conducted in compliance with data protection and privacy regulations. This is the gray area that I was kind of talking about. So it depends on like how they're accessing the data.

Madi (26:56.276)
Yeah.

Holly (27:20.994)
So legal issues arise when the data is collected, shared, or analyzed without proper consent, transparency, or safeguards. Responsible data mining depends on following the laws and organizational policies within each structure. And so we don't know yet that there is this clause, which spoiler alert, we're jumping ahead, but we don't know yet that there's this clause that Grizzle has added into this contract.

Because I think the reason that he's Ben is saying it's illegal is because he thought he had safeguarded against this in the contract. He thought this was literally written into the contract, but it wasn't. and so this is kind of where it gets tricky because there are certain what's the word? Like standard of procedures, those things that you sign consent forms when you sign up for profiles and things like that. It kind of gets tricky because some of them you do sign away like your

Madi (27:50.654)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (28:13.634)
consent, quote unquote, especially if your social media is public, because if your social media is public, I mean it's kind of a free for all. And there's really no way for that to be guarded against. Or when you think about cookies, like remember when Ron got freaked out about cookies and April explained like you put in your email in this thing and they took that. That's not technically illegal question mark, which is still wild, obviously.

Madi (28:22.207)
Mm, yeah.

Holly (28:42.156)
But anyway, so it says that there are illegal data mining practices with lack of consent, which is collecting or using sensitive personal information, which I think would be like medical records, finance records, things like that, without the consent. Unauthorized access, which is when they bypass security firewalls, hacking databases, or violating a platform's term of service. terms of service, that's what I was using instead of standard of procedure. That's what I meant. When you follow the

Madi (28:56.884)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (29:11.896)
When you sign away your life by that one little check mark, essentially, that is a thing. But also there, I mean, there are definite hackers out there. That is absolutely illegal. and then the third one was discriminatory use. That's illegal where if you discriminate against individuals based on protected traits like age, race, gender, or religion.

Madi (29:13.86)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Holly (29:33.755)
and then the fourth one is regulatory noncompliance, which is where you fail to adhere to the regional data protection frameworks. So like each region, each country, each state probably, I don't even know if state, but e and each like department, if you will, has its own US privacy laws, which govern how the personal data has to be safeguarded. But like I said, there are just like really gray areas. Like I was curious, you know how you get spam emails all of the fucking time?

Madi (29:44.255)
Mm.

Madi (30:03.079)
Yeah.

Holly (30:03.974)
they've gotten smart where they've now made their spam numbers from the area code where you live. So you think that it's like someone that you might know or your doctor's office or something like that to get you to answer. And really again, it just depends on what kind of information it is and how they got your number. If they got your number from it being on like the yellow pages or something like that, it's technically legal, which again is very

Madi (30:24.415)
Mm.

Holly (30:33.272)
Freaky and I would love if a lawyer or someone who's listening to this knows more information, I would actually be very interested in knowing because it just sounds like there's so many moving parts and so many things where it's actually legal. so but it says if a website explicitly forbids automated bots or scraping in terms of service, doing so can violate the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, or C FAA, which can lead to private lawsuits. And then what's even crazier is that.

In America, there's the American data brokers who legally collect and mine emails and sell them to third parties. And they are generally permitted to operate under US law, provided the data is collected. This is the caveat from public records and everyday online activities. Like that is perfectly legal. Which seems insane. It seems insane. I just

Madi (31:22.249)
That's insane. Yeah. That's like, why do I have an email address anymore?

Holly (31:29.516)
With that's password protected. Like and I and also that's the thing too about like when you go to a website and you sign up or whatever, like you have to sign up for their email list. And a lot of that's just marketing. But like those email address can be mined by these companies that are selling your information. And I'm like, What? So I'll get again, I'll post this in the showdo show notes and

Madi (31:31.687)
Yeah. my gosh.

Madi (31:48.009)
Yeah.

Holly (31:57.127)
I think it just really depends on what the actual like you have to read the law based in your region and also how they are getting it. So if they are accessing these medical records that are protected under HIPAA, or they're accessing, you know, something that or financial, like I said, that is not legal because you did not consent to that. but there are these legal kind of guardrails that allow this to happen. And it's so bizarre.

Madi (32:07.007)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (32:18.184)
Yeah.

Madi (32:25.597)
Yeah, yeah, that's insane. Yeah, no one's safe.

Holly (32:27.948)
So that was my little Yeah. I know. Anyway. Right. Yeah, you really got and like the elder fraud of my god, that makes me cry sometimes when these spam artists call and are like, my god, someone's stuck or like you're gonna And we've been getting, I don't know if you've gotten this, my mom and I have been getting these like USPS, like pretending to be USPS saying like

Madi (32:37.937)
I know.

Holly (32:51.33)
You've need you need to pay or confirm your zip code in order to make sure that your package gets there. And we send stuff to Brooklyn all the time or you know, we send packages frequently, or frequently enough that like that could be real. but I'm I you know, if it looks fishy or like if you have any concern, I mean, I would just not respond to it. Or ask someone else. I don't know, get someone's opinion. But yeah, it's crazy. And you've got to talk to your elder people about this because it's happens all the time. You've got to talk to your parents and say, like, if you hear

Madi (32:54.409)
Mm.

Madi (33:02.27)
Yeah.

Holly (33:21.218)
that I'm stuck or whatever, you need to call me first or something. Like, I don't know, or you need to have like a safe word. It's like crazy the amount of protection that you need to have in place. Cause people are out there.

Madi (33:24.916)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (33:30.943)
Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, and I've heard stories of that where they'll call and say, we have your daughter and bring us this money. And it's just insane what people do now.

Holly (33:41.174)
Yep. Absurd.

Holly (33:46.125)
Yeah. Wild. Well, moving on, Donna says that she never would have agreed to work with them if that's how they were gonna run their business because she is a very private person, as we all know, as is Ron, and which is one of the reasons I think they get along sometimes. and I love Leslie's reaction when she says, what has she said? you you wanna put me on blast, I'm gonna put you on front street and Leslie's like, I don't know what that means, but I think I get the context. Let's go.

Madi (33:47.954)
So sad.

Madi (33:55.358)
Yeah.

Madi (34:00.115)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Madi (34:11.742)
Yeah.

Madi (34:15.227)
Yeah, we're on the same page. Yeah, I like this, you know, Leslie's so mad at Donna and Tom and Ron when they joined Grizzle because she's like, you know, they want this land just to do this thing. Like they're a bad company. And, you know, they haven't shown that they're bad company. Right. At that point, she just they're the rival and, you know, they're heavy in tech.

Holly (34:15.822)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (34:37.101)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (34:41.149)
So it's really nice that to get Donna and Ron to kind of actually not be on their side, there is this actual moral issue that comes up to kind of sway them over.

Holly (34:50.83)
Mm. Yes, I agree with that one hundred percent. And I think that Donna and Ron are the ones that are the more they care a little bit more about their privacy. So they are the ones to topple. Cause I was kind of thinking about why Tom didn't get this, which I know he was, you know, consumed with Andy, but I I do feel like Donna and Ron are the ones to focus on. But also, I mean, what great tool.

Madi (35:05.182)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (35:15.656)
Yeah.

Holly (35:17.744)
to like get them all together and to get them all on the same team.

Madi (35:20.499)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, because I mean it was it was topical at the time like just kind of a fear and now we're living it and so Yeah, that's that's crazy. I think Tom also is definitely gonna be the person that's like yeah Take my shit. Tell me what I need to buy like, you know, he wants he wants them to be Telling you know locked in so He loves free stuff, yeah

Holly (35:29.71)
Mm.

Holly (35:41.409)
Yes, great point. And it's free. He loves free stuff. And he loves stuff in general. So he loves things. Things, baby. Like, absolutely. So he wouldn't care. Good point.

Madi (35:51.027)
Yeah.

Madi (35:54.643)
No.

Holly (35:56.887)
Okay, so Craig comes to April and asks if she will introduce slash have a welcome speech for the new parks interns, which I love this Craig thing that they wrote, giving him some character growth too, where he says three things that calm him down when he wants to yell. And I love the three things or all of the pairings that they give him. But this first one is watermelon martinis, exposed brick, and Carrie Russell's hair. my gosh. That sounds so good. Watermelon martini.

Madi (36:13.257)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (36:20.615)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (36:21.612)
And love the idea of Richard Nygaard coming back because we haven't heard from him in a while since Chris left. so yeah, love that. A fellow Nygar Nygaardian, as they call him.

Madi (36:24.392)
Yeah.

Madi (36:30.831)
Yeah, yeah, a lot of things like we've been talking about that are like coming full circle in the last season, like not necessarily making front row storylines, but that they're like sprinkled in to show, hey, we're still in Pawnee and the people are still living their life among these things that have happened throughout the seasons.

Holly (36:35.661)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (36:49.848)
Totally. Yes. So good. And I love giving side characters growth too. You know what I mean? That's nice.

Madi (36:54.471)
Yeah, mm-hmm. Yeah, for sure.

Holly (36:57.72)
So she says no at first, but then she says fine because she wants to steer them away from the parks department. And I was like, April, your lack of direction is not their problem. But I do understand that she's in her feelings about being directionless and not having her path figured out yet. Also, she's not old. I know that I know the feeling of saying that, but she was like, Now I'm old and I don't whatever have a life and I'm like, You're not old, honey. But I get it. I know what she Yeah. No.

Madi (37:02.621)
Yeah.

Madi (37:16.776)
Yeah.

Madi (37:24.095)
Girl, 30 is not old. It feels old to start over at 30, but...

Holly (37:30.445)
Sure.

It's not.

Madi (37:33.215)
But there's an interview with Oprah of when she started making it and when she, and I think she was in her 30s or 40s. It doesn't always happen right at the beginning of your life and that's okay. And we'll get to what Craig walks her through later, but it's like, yeah, you are in your feelings. You haven't wasted your time here, but you feel like you have because now you're seven years behind.

Holly (37:46.476)
Right. Totally.

Right.

Madi (38:00.529)
on what you might have wanted to do, but you can't look at it like that.

Holly (38:03.958)
Right. Right. Yeah, totally. So anyhow, now we're at a city council meeting, which yay, we haven't seen one of those in a while. Very exciting to get back to our roots. I love all these mantras slash titles of things related to Grizzle, by the way. Like her presentation is called Grizzle. Are they as chill as they seem? Question mark.

Madi (38:11.987)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (38:23.251)
Yeah.

Holly (38:26.202)
and then we've got one lady. my gosh. Okay, so this is one of my most favorite parts. We get to everyone talking about, you know, their personal story with Grizzle. we've got this lady who says she sent her husband genital cream. They sent her husband cr genital cream, and that is no one's business but their own, and there are many genital doctors.

Madi (38:45.691)
Yes. That poor guy.

Holly (38:48.586)
my god, I love this so much. And just like I love the huge relationship that you get in just these 20 seconds of a lady fighting for her man because he needs the help of his doctors, which is really embarrassing. And it's probably it's all it's like this, you know, not trope, but like this kind of stereotype of like a shy guy that's with this strong woman because he needs her to help him, you know, fight against these crazies that in the world and she's gonna be the one that leads the charge his genital problems.

Madi (38:57.15)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (39:13.447)
his genital problems.

Holly (39:17.736)
He needs his wife to help him out. side note we got voice memos from Shulie Cohen who plays this gal. my gosh, I love her so much. Which by the way, her character name is Florence Ann Machine. I that's brilliant. Not Florence and the Machine, but Florence Anne A N N E. Last name Machine.

Madi (39:24.167)
Great.

Madi (39:32.883)
That is brilliant. Wow.

Madi (39:37.865)
Beautiful.

Holly (39:38.031)
she's been in so many things. my gosh, Two Broke Girls, How I Met Your Mother, Mr. Mayer. But what I remember her from and what I made sure that I had to tell her is from Iowa West. And as you guys know, I did improv back in my LA days. And she was the direct musical director slash like

cast member of a show called Opening Night and it was a musical improv show. And I remember taking people to that show. In fact, I remember taking Sean, who did our theme song when he visited me in LA. and I I just remember when people would visit if Opening Night was playing, I would take them because not many people are aware of musical improv or know how cool it is. And it's just like a really fun thing to go see 'cause it's not only fun, but it's so smart and so brilliant and so fast.

Madi (40:06.601)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (40:22.078)
Yeah.

Holly (40:26.828)
That it's kind of insane to think that they did they just are making this up and especially when they're really talented like this. And opening night, by the time I had seen them, I think had been around for quite some time. So like when an improv team has been together for a long time, they can really feed off each other and just like have that chemistry built in. And I'll always remember that. and it's called opening night because, you know, their theme was that it was both the opening and closing night of this musical, that you'll never see it again. because this is made up and they make it up on the fly every time.

Madi (40:33.278)
Mm.

Madi (40:52.073)
Wow, yeah.

Madi (40:56.339)
Yeah.

Holly (40:56.724)
so I I just have to I just remember so she has a great voice and I just had to do that little breakdown because I just it's made such an impression on not only me but on all the people that I took to that show. I rem Sean still talks about it like or has still remembers it. We haven't talked about it in a while, but he still remembers it like if I bring it up.

And that and that kinda led me to go do or not do myself, but to go see musical improv in Chicago when I went to Second City that I raved about. I went and and I made my mom not made them, but I asked and told everyone that I was going to the shows. If you wanna come with me, great. If not, I must see more musical improv. And yeah, and as a like as a singer, it was really fun to see too, because a lot of times these people do have good voices and sometimes they don't. But I also love that it's like

Madi (41:33.863)
Yeah.

Hehehehe

Holly (41:47.607)
It doesn't have to rhyme all the time, but opening night definitely rhymed and they were really smart with that. and most of them are. but like a lot of times it doesn't have to rhyme, it just has to be a story. And it really opened my mind to just the creativity and imagination you can have and how scary it probab well, it's scary for me, but I'm sure I don't know if it's scary for everyone else to who's performing. So anyway, thank you for listening to my tangent. I just love them so much.

Madi (42:05.023)
Yeah.

Holly (42:12.626)
anyhow, so let's go ahead and play the first voice memo from Shuly. Thank you so much for sending that. That's so nice, and I can't wait to hear them. I have not listened to these yet. Cause I actually just sent her the messages or like we had been corresponding. I think I sent it to her agent on Wednesday, but she didn't get it until I didn't send the questions to her till yesterday and she was so fast about it. So and I always say, like, if you can't get them to me, I can absolutely take next time and we can put them in the next show.

Just a little bit of the how the sausage is made. but she got them to me so fast. So anyway, okay, let's go ahead.

Madi (42:38.75)
Yeah.

Holly (42:49.219)
Cowan, sorry.

Holly (43:03.278)
That's totally fine. I understand. It was a long time ago.

Holly (43:16.28)
Was this the same one?

Holly (43:26.498)
Was that okay. Ma did she record it twice? Okay.

Madi (43:27.689)
Yeah.

Holly (44:00.205)
Yay. I love hearing when people have worked with Amy before. That's cool to know. And the touring, I mean, a lot of people have done touring like with Second City. you know, Steve Krell's pretty and and what's his name? Steven Colbert also. so that's always fun to hear. That's cool. Okay, cool.

Madi (44:04.169)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (44:14.963)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Holly (44:39.79)
'Cause I yes, it is amazing. I asked her specifically, like, how did you personally feel about those lines? Like it was so funny. 'Cause I I I try to ask actors that too. Like, I'd love to know how you feel getting those lines and saying those lines. It's just funny to me. But my gosh, I wouldn't I don't know if I would ever go up to someone and be like, yeah, you were the genital cream lady

Madi (44:41.151)
That's amazing.

Madi (45:02.395)
Yeah, I know the balls on those people to bring it up that way. That's so funny.

Holly (45:09.214)
my God. But you know what? A recognize i is a recognize, so that's yeah. At least it's not hopefully people aren't being mean.

Madi (45:17.587)
Yeah. Yes.

Holly (45:24.16)
so I asked her what we can promote for her or if there's anything that we can talk about or go see her in. so this is what she's saying.

Madi (45:27.807)
Mm.

Holly (45:49.966)
Yay. Okay, wait. Did she say where?

Madi (45:51.741)
It's awesome.

Holly (45:58.785)
Okay, I don't know where it is. So I'll yeah, go ahead and follow her and then I'll post it in our show notes as well because you guys definitely need to see it. It's so good if you're in LA or if you're visiting LA or anything like that. So and then the last thing I'll play, so

She sent me a video that I'll also post in the show notes of a UCB short or well, it's a trailer for a U C B movie or short or whatever it is, video. And it's about like the spring breakers and like that there's an ass contest for and out of con I'm trying to give context to make what's happening

mo make more sense, but it's just it's it's just silly. So there's really no way for me to make it feel serious or for you to really understand without seeing it. but anyhow and it's really fun to see the trailer because every one of those U C B people are have been in parks. We've got Matt Besser, who played I think the douche not the douche, the other one.

Madi (46:44.139)
haha

Madi (47:00.585)
Crazy high row.

Holly (47:00.982)
Ira, Ira, thank you, crazy Ira. And then we've also got the guy who wa I my god, I'm forgetting all their actual names. It's so awful. but w the one who was in the where they had to do the test for the town and like the Eagleton was, you know, like whatever. And he was the one that was like yeah, he was running the test. He's also in Veep.

Madi (47:18.48)
yeah, yeah.

Yeah, he was running the test.

Yeah. Yeah.

Holly (47:25.784)
who was also really funny. And then, we've got the other guy who he was the one he was only in the I think his name his name's Ian. I can't remember his last name, but he was he was in season one, like as one of the first people that was like yelling at Leslie in the school. I don't know if you remember what they were in they were in a school and they were in a classroom. And this was during the Anne time when Anne was in this classroom as well. And he yelled at her.

Madi (47:44.411)
yeah.

Holly (47:51.787)
that's the only time he's been in it, but and he also played the Spirit Fingers guy in Bring It On, if you remember that too. So it's just really cool to see all these UCB people be in the show, but also just like I love seeing the growth slash like where they started and older things that they've done to see how like the same yet different they are. It's just really fun to to watch. So anyway

Madi (47:57.639)
Always, of course.

Holly (48:15.222)
Shuly was saying that she was in this ass contest video for the U C B and she sang at the end and they were supposed to like overdub Amy's voice onto her voice and she was like kind of the demo vocalist. but then they didn't take it out and it's really just her voice at the end. so I'll just go ahead and play that for you.

Madi (49:19.168)
my gosh.

Holly (49:20.8)
And then at the end, one of the UCB guys pulls down his pants and is You guys want to see a sweet booty? And then everyone it's like a horror film. Everyone's like blocking their eyes and like screaming like ridiculous. but yeah, that was Shuly's voice at the end singing. So thank you, Shuly, for sending all of that information and for answering our questions so quickly. thank you. That was so fun. my gosh. And I never would have seen that video had it not been for you. So spreading the good word.

Madi (49:27.994)
Hahaha

That's so funny very great, that's awesome

Madi (49:47.688)
Yeah.

Holly (49:51.791)
All right. so by the way, I wanted to say the actor's name who plays the husband is Buck Acosta and his character name is literally Blotchybald Husband. I thought that was worth mentioning. What a thing to have on your resume.

Madi (50:03.815)
Yeah, and not machine, the last name, not the same last name or anything. That's funny.

Holly (50:10.236)
yeah, that's so true. Yeah.

So then we've got some more people in this town council. We've got Mike Scully back, which is amazing. We've already done a break on breakdown on him. He's a writer on parks, but also a huge writer for The Simpsons. we've seen him many times at a lot of these city council meetings. And this scene is actually how I always describe him. He must have made a huge impression on me with this one. And in particular, these pigs made a huge impression on me because when we saw him at the beginning, I was like, There's a Ron pig that he has, and I remember this.

Madi (50:41.811)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (50:42.83)
And this is the f the scene that we're finally getting to. but his ho his hobby is collecting celebrities as pigs. And this one is Hamuel L. Jackson from pork fiction instead of pulp fiction. my god, that made my heart so happy. So good. Ugh.

Madi (50:52.072)
I'd love it.

Madi (50:56.841)
They must have had so much fun with that. Like, who do we make this and how can we make it like punny? Yeah. So great.

Holly (51:01.858)
The puns, the comedy. Brilliant. my gosh. And I had written before we got to this point, I was like, wait, doesn't he have a Ron one too? And then we'll get there. But I'll talk about that in a second. So then we get a teenager who gets books in her grizzle box and she doesn't want her friends and her crush to know that she likes reading. What are they gonna think? And I was like, honey, that's a gift to read and you're a catch because of it. But I get it, because high school's hard and you don't wanna be seen as a nerd.

Madi (51:27.015)
Yeah.

Madi (51:31.571)
Yeah, that was real.

Holly (51:33.215)
this character, by the way, is played by Ava Capri and her character name is Evangeline Popular, which I really love. my gosh. She is in 14 episodes of Love Victor, which I have not seen, but I have heard great things about. but it's so popular, so I'll add it to my list. She was also in Pretty Little Liars Original Sin, which I believe is like a spin off thing to the original Pretty Little Liar show. That's amazing. she was in a movie called Do Revenge, which is on Netflix.

Madi (51:41.105)
Yeah, that's great.

Holly (52:01.933)
Lot of short films and upcoming things, super cool. She looks very different from what she looks like on the show, obviously, because she was a teenager then. but she has all these like artistic, like super cool girl shots where she just looks so cool. Like, you know how Kristen Stewart, I feel, is like so vibey and cool nowadays when I see her on like pictures and stuff? That's what she like kind of gives me the vibes of. And I like, my god, you're so cool. She is popular. She is evangeline popular, okay?

Madi (52:18.047)
Mm.

Madi (52:24.061)
Yeah, very vibey. Yeah. Yeah.

Holly (52:31.492)
so anyway, we get the chanting man back, which is so exciting. Jeffrey Markle plays this role, and yay, he is coherent for one of the very first times saying succinctly and well-spokenly that he thinks Grizzle has no right to search their data. And this is where Leslie is so shocked because she is always expecting a fight at these city council meetings. And she's like, Wait, you're not against me on this one? We're not against you on this.

Madi (52:40.329)
Yeah.

Madi (52:50.921)
Yeah.

Madi (52:56.063)
I you on this. I love this too, because I was just sitting there and like, I think this is our last one in the series, is it? Or do we have another one? Yeah, and if it is our last one, what a way to come full circle in the final season of that everybody's with her. Like she's finally leading a city council meeting or a town hall meet or whatever, a forum where she's getting buy-in with people.

Holly (53:05.678)
But that would be something to look at.

Holly (53:15.18)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (53:20.942)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (53:25.302)
Yes. Right. So true. my gosh, that's so true. Best chant ever from Chanting Man. Well done. So she's saying now we have Grizzle's Achilles Hill. You know, the town is behind us. Donna's with them, who was working for Grizzle. Now we need Ron as the next domino. And this is the part that I'm remembering with Ron's pig because I'm getting it I was got it twisted in my memories, where this is actually a pig Tom Seloink.

Madi (53:25.991)
all these years, but here I am.

Madi (53:33.981)
Yes.

Madi (53:44.157)
Yeah.

Madi (53:54.687)
So good.

Holly (53:54.967)
Instead of Tom Sellick. So good. Close enough. But yeah, Leslie's like, That's Ron. It's close enough. He looks the same. But I would love to see Ron Yes, they do have the same vibe. But I'd love to see Ron in the Hawaiian shirt, like Tom Selloing. That would be funny.

Madi (54:01.905)
Yeah, they have the same vibe too.

Madi (54:09.662)
Yeah.

Holly (54:11.832)
So her expression, when she judges him also from needing that pig back. my gosh, that's so f funny. Like she just has this like wide eyes of like, Okay, yes, of course, you need it back. Okay. Well done, props people, by the way. my gosh, for making those. All right, so now we're at J J's with Ron and Donna. Leslie has made a scrapbook for February twenty sixteen because Leslie is filling Ron in on her kids' life and Ron does not really reciprocate at all, but at least he shows a picture.

Madi (54:20.403)
Yeah.

Madi (54:24.072)
huh. So good.

Holly (54:40.344)
But he's protecting his kids' privacy by ripping it up after she sh after he shows it to Leslie.

Madi (54:40.413)
He brought a picture, yeah.

Madi (54:45.799)
Yeah, that's the Ron equivalent of a scrapbook to me. feel like, yeah. And we've always known that Ron doesn't like people to know anything about him. Like he throws the computer away when Google Maps has a picture of his house. But I really love how they are sprinkling in what's gonna be the catalyst at the end for him, like right now, so that it's in our head fresh.

Holly (54:51.202)
Yeah.

Holly (55:07.502)
Mm-hmm.

Absolutely. Yes. Some foreshadowing. so yes, this kid is very cute and I like that it has him chopping wood or whatever. But also I was wondering why he didn't show a picture of the girls. There still is kids too.

Madi (55:19.634)
Yeah.

Madi (55:24.583)
Yeah. Yeah. They are. We haven't seen them in a long time. I wonder if it's harder because we've seen we've seen them in the show. I wonder if it's harder to get a picture of them.

Holly (55:27.8)
So no.

Holly (55:33.867)
Maybe. I don't know. That's true. Okay, so Leslie thinks that he's gonna go nuts after learning what Grizzle is doing. She's like really expecting him to freak out. She's like, we're gonna get him. But he doesn't really care because it doesn't affect him. And I'm sorry, okay, but this is like classic Republican libertarian moment shit, like where it du just because it doesn't affect you or your family directly, you don't give a shit. It doesn't mean it doesn't matter, Ron

Madi (55:59.155)
Yeah. Yeah, come on,

Holly (56:02.882)
But again, I guess this is and some people, yeah, some people just don't see it until it happens to them. But like you said, this is what's going this is the part where we really see that if it did happen to him, which it does, spoiler alert, that he's gonna go crazy. So But this is where also Ben was like, But it's illegal. Like I thought you would have cared about it being like them not being

Madi (56:18.961)
Yeah.

Holly (56:26.766)
Cool if you're working for them. And Ron is like, I don't think it actually is illegal because I've spent a lot of time with them and their lawyers and they would, as they say, keep it one hundred, aka not have something illegal, which leads us to believe that there might be some sort of loophole or something going on for them to do this, which is again a little bit of a foreshadowing moment.

Madi (56:38.025)
Yep.

Madi (56:45.087)
Yeah.

Holly (56:46.862)
And this is where Donna says, Well, look, they still think I work for them, so I can get you a VIP tour, be like a double agent, if you will. which leads us to, my gosh, my favorite Leslie and Ben costumes. I think these are amazing, these outfits. I like I said last week, like the wardrobe just giving so much detail and comedy and energy to the scene. I love it. They're being hipsters, trying to dress like similarly, but a little bit more indie.

Madi (56:54.121)
Yeah.

Madi (57:10.729)
Yeah.

Holly (57:14.016)
than the c Ron's cabin people. That's what this reminded me of, you know?

Madi (57:16.089)
Yeah. Yeah. absolutely. Yeah, with the glasses and the hat for sure.

Holly (57:22.078)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, so Ben's got his Fedora thing. Leslie has her glasses and French beret and trench coat. I always thought this would be a fantastic couple costume, by the way. I hope some I'm sure people have done it, but that would be so fun.

Madi (57:32.291)
yeah.

Madi (57:35.849)
subtle but you know what it is if you know.

Holly (57:38.411)
Right. And it doesn't even have to be like a couple boyfriend, girlfriend. Like I feel like girlfriends could do this too. Niche, but great. No one would really know who you are, but that's okay. So Roscoe comes in to give them a tour, which I think is kind of funny that it's him and not an underling giving this tour. However, it does need to be him so they can have their little clash at the end in a way.

Madi (57:42.161)
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Madi (57:55.903)
Hmm.

Madi (58:00.265)
Yeah.

Holly (58:02.339)
But they've given each other these names, these, you know, doppelganger names. Darlene Johansson, and this is my assistant turned lover, Gregory Strong. She gets way too detailed with this. If you're gonna lie, you gotta keep it to a minimum. Ugh. Which by the way, IMDB told me that this is a Game of Thrones reference for the character The Mountain, Gregor Cligane, aka Robert Strong.

Madi (58:16.669)
Yeah. my gosh.

Holly (58:31.0)
So now we have the interns with April and the first intern says he loves the parks department. He grew up near Ramset Park and he loves the activities and everything they provide. And I love this for him. I think it's great. Yeah.

Madi (58:40.955)
Yeah, yeah, what a way, what a way to be like, how am going to spend my summer? Well, I love the parks. What I wonder if there's something to do there. So cool.

Holly (58:48.642)
Yeah, I love it. And you know what? I agree. I think and I think it's really like astute or maybe I don't know what the word is, profound that a high schooler, I'm guessing they're h no, maybe college, a college student would understand that because I am an adult just now understanding like the significance of the parks department, not just because of this like episode and this podcast.

Madi (59:07.871)
Hmm.

Holly (59:12.716)
But I mean, I've always loved the parks department. Don't get me wrong, but I think when you really analyze it and think about like where's a free place to take your kid when school's out, there's pools, there's activities, there's pottery classes, yoga classes, there's just like so much stuff that the parks department does that I think people aren't really aware of who all is putting it on. Like you think that park just like it like came out of nowhere and people don't have to run it and there's park rangers and stuff like that.

Madi (59:29.459)
Yeah.

Holly (59:39.426)
So how profound for a college student who maybe doesn't have all of that analytical like you know, awareness to understand that. So I think that's really beautiful that they wrote that in.

Madi (59:46.823)
Yeah.

Madi (59:50.641)
Agreed, agreed, I love it.

Holly (59:52.717)
And I love how professional and reasonable and ready he is, very well spoken. This is played by Dallin. I think I'm pronouncing that right. D-A-L-O-N. Dalen? Dallin? I'm so sorry. Jay Holland, and his character name is Percy Kat Tube is his last name. C-A-T Tube. Kat Tube.

Madi (01:00:01.726)
it.

Madi (01:00:10.161)
Okay.

Madi (01:00:14.119)
All right, interesting.

Holly (01:00:15.746)
And I did reach out to his agent and he followed us back on Instagram, but I haven't heard from him. So I might message him on Instagram and see if he's available. So we'll see. he's been in a lot of cool things. SWAT, Cloak and Dagger. Looks like he's also worked on the as the crew for some projects. so that's really cool to be dipping your toe in both of those, cast and crew. then she calls this next intern Mork instead of Mike, because she's being April.

Madi (01:00:32.873)
Yeah.

Holly (01:00:41.986)
Which is hilarious. But he loves parks too. He loves being a summer camp counselor. He's done that since he was thirteen. He's so precious. His energy, his excitement. I love both these guys.

Madi (01:00:49.277)
Yeah.

Madi (01:00:53.075)
Me too. And it's like, don't know why you would want to dissuade these people from the parks department because they're like the less the incoming Leslie's. They've got the excitement for it.

Holly (01:01:01.622)
Right. Well that's why I yeah, that's totally why she's asking them. You know what I mean? She's trying to find somebody that is not really into it, which we do get eventually. but this actor, the second actor, is played by Jimmy Bellinger. His full character name is Mike Harlmton. I don't even know how you'd say that. It's like Harmton, but with a random L in between, which is totally Mike Scher's thing, 'cause that's what he says when you'll just throw random letter into an actual last name and that's how you can get it past licensing.

Madi (01:01:06.495)
Yeah.

Madi (01:01:10.577)
Here we go.

Madi (01:01:23.231)
Yeah.

Holly (01:01:32.0)
but he's been a lot of stuff too. George and Mandy's first marriage. My mom watches that, super cute. he was in Shameless, the movie Blockers with Ike Bahrenholtz, Freakier Friday, which I haven't seen yet. Yeah. Not Dead Yet, which was a super funny show, but that has sadly been cancelled. I think that ended twenty twenty four is when that ended.

Madi (01:01:42.853)
I haven't seen that yet either.

Holly (01:01:52.027)
but I did I stalked his IG, his Instagram a little and he does boxing too and his wedding pictures are super sweet and very cute and he got married last year, so congratulations. Very precious.

Madi (01:01:57.109)
cool.

Madi (01:02:02.057)
That's awesome.

Holly (01:02:06.422)
And then we this is where we get to Jen, who has the same energy as April, and we learn that the only reason she's doing it is because of college credit and not because she actually cares about it like these other two kids. And April zooms in on her and really gets her. and Jen is played by Talina Chikami. I'm so sorry if I pronounced that wrong. my gosh. yeah, very cool. I love it. Her character name is called Invinci with two eyes at the end.

Madi (01:02:27.263)
Cool name.

Madi (01:02:35.817)
Like a beachie?

Holly (01:02:37.27)
Is that what it is? What's a Vici?

Madi (01:02:40.337)
The singer.

Holly (01:02:42.03)
okay. Yeah. And this one is In Vinci instead of A Vinci. Okay, cool. she was in Austin and Alley where she plays a goth girl as well. So she has that kind of in her range. she was also in faking it, a project called I Kissed a Vampire, Ray Donovan, Jane the Virgin. but she is a singer of a ska band called Bite Me Bambi. my gosh. And I followed them on Instagram, so I'll I'll

Madi (01:02:46.183)
Yeah.

Holly (01:03:08.908)
Keep you posted. And she's in all the music videos for that too. So that was obviously on her IMDb as well. but yeah, super fun. I love learning when they have like such different lives than what, you know, is obviously in the show. so I love that.

Madi (01:03:22.173)
Right.

awesome.

Holly (01:03:26.126)
All right, so at Johnny Karate, Burley is there, which is so exciting. He's in the scene with Johnny Karate. He's tied up, and he gets the puppy army attack, which I love this. What a great villain thing to have that the puppies are hated by this person. Such cute kids and puppies.

Madi (01:03:38.973)
Yeah.

Yeah, my gosh. Yeah, and they obviously don't have a very high acting budget because they're probably not paying Burleigh very much. It's just like, can you come in and hang out with me at the studio for a couple of hours?

Holly (01:03:51.862)
Right. That's true.

Right, totally. my gosh, that's so true. So then we get a crew member saying lunch, everyone back in 30 minutes. They take a break. side note, this is exciting. The guy who shouts this is named Steve Day, and he's the first AD on parks, the first assistant director. He's like the actual crew member for parks. He also worked on The Good Place, Veeep, Wine Country, Hacks, Moxie, Rutherford Falls, like literally everything we love.

Madi (01:04:11.967)
Cool.

Madi (01:04:22.067)
Wow, yeah.

Holly (01:04:22.29)
And everything that Amy and Mike Sher are kind of like in the world of. We love that. So fun in that community. And I couldn't find his contact info. Like he doesn't have that listed on IMDb, sadly. But I really want to have a full interview with him because that'd be so awesome to talk to a first AD. We haven't talked to an AD yet. We've talked to directors and writers, but not an AD and and producers. But I really yeah, so I'm gonna I've gotta do some research on that. Steve Day is his name. If anyone knows him, let me know.

Madi (01:04:39.377)
Yeah, no, that'd be great.

Holly (01:04:51.794)
And I did a tiny bit of a breakdown in case you're not like in the entertainment industry, a first assistant director, which I kinda, you know, I just wrote a little summary moment slash did some research to see what the best way to describe it was. But they manage the logistical operations of a project. So they kind of act as a bridge between the director and the cast and the crew, really. so they they coordinate the shooting schedule, they enforce like safety protocols, direct the flow of the day, which allows the director to really focus on

you know, the creative vision of directing the scene and how they wanna get the project done and visually and all that kind of stuff. So they're doing like the logistical stuff, the first AD is. so and I think that's really important. They're kinda like a stage manager in a lot of ways, but except for different, you know? and it probably I I I mean it's probably a dumb question, but I was wondering if ADs actually really do shout like, okay, that's lunch. Like, I feel like they probably would, right? And also like

Madi (01:05:38.783)
Yeah.

Madi (01:05:49.449)
Yeah.

Holly (01:05:50.307)
Who I I think their director says action, but the first A D could probably do that too. I don't know. So that's why I wanna talk to him 'cause I have questions. Yeah. So yeah, that's kinda cool. So anyhow, this is where yeah, this is where we're talking about the

Madi (01:05:57.671)
I'd love to know. Yeah, that'd be really cool.

Holly (01:06:13.14)
the agent thing where Tom's being the agent and he's kinda being sleazy because he's reminding us at his other job. He also doesn't do any of the work but he gets the profit just like with agents doing not much of the work but getting

Madi (01:06:24.701)
Yeah.

Holly (01:06:27.692)
the profit. But I think agents do a lot of work if they're a good agent. You know what I mean? but also I wonder if that's meta because, you know, the people who wrote this all have agents. So they probably have had some maybe some interesting slash bad experiences, perhaps. Who knows? but also like I had a little bit of a moment too where I was like, you know, Tom, you just told us you were working on new recipes. Like I feel like you're trying to stay in your sleazy Tom phase, but like you are working, you are contributing. You're not

Madi (01:06:38.13)
Yeah.

Madi (01:06:44.799)
Very possible.

Madi (01:06:56.383)
Yeah.

Holly (01:06:57.228)
Just like being a sleazy sleaze ball and collecting all the profit, not doing anything at all. Like you worked hard on it too.

Madi (01:07:02.761)
Yeah, and he had to work hard to get it going.

Holly (01:07:07.168)
Yeah. So I mean I know a part of him is probably still that sleazy Tom, but I feel like he's just trying to stick to his like I don't know, what's comfortable for him, but whatever. I'm just proud of him for doing work and he doesn't seem to be giving himself that credit slash moving on from his like sleazy vibe. You know what I'm saying?

Madi (01:07:24.135)
Yeah, yeah, so true.

Holly (01:07:27.148)
All right, so now we get to the station manager Hank Montauk, which I love that name. Hank Hank Montauk and Dan Candle are probably my top two favorites. and this is Dak Shepherd. We get a Dak Shepherd cameo, who most people know him now from his famous podcast, but he was definitely an actor before this as well, or before the podcast, I should say. he was a series regular on Parenthood, if anybody remembers that show.

Madi (01:07:37.769)
So good.

Holly (01:07:52.258)
He had obviously other acting gigs too before that, but he's a fun station manager. He did a good job with this.

Madi (01:07:58.527)
Yeah, yeah, he's good at this kind of thing. And he's kind of good at the sleazy, like, I'm not a good guy vibe, even though it seems like he's a good guy in real life.

Holly (01:08:03.17)
Mm-hmm.

Right.

Yeah. I know he's had some controversial things. Some people don't like him in real life, so I don't know. I don't Yeah, I I it's Right, exactly. Yeah. They're yeah. Mm-hmm. That too. They have their own thing going on. Which I did I have like a funny fan theory where I like, my god, that would be so funny because Kristen Bell's character is running city council now or like on Leslie not running, but like in Leslie's seat. And I feel like that would be a fun moment to like

Madi (01:08:15.111)
That's, that's fair. I don't know that that much about him. I just know he's married to Kristen Bell and I love Kristen Bell.

Madi (01:08:36.351)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (01:08:38.616)
think that they're married in the show because she like fell for a pawnee boy even though she's an Eagleton princess. So Tom says he gets great ratings in three cities. Andy does. he has tons of followers on Grizzletube, aka YouTube. he's gonna go over to the rival station in snorling if he doesn't pick it up. So like get it together. And Hank just says he's gonna upgrade the parking lot, but only if his kid gets a role on the show

Madi (01:08:41.019)
Yeah. Yeah. my gosh. Yeah. So good.

Holly (01:09:08.204)
So that's not really much of an upgrade. It's like you've still gotta add things. but Tom's does well here, I think, where he says, like, they always say that you d they don't have the money, but they really do. And I like Tom when he says, like, I've seen your profit reports. I've seen that you do have the money. Stop fucking around essentially. Which I like because that's so true. Even in corporate worlds or a lot of times more in corporate worlds, they're like, No, we just don't have the money for raises. But they do. They do.

Madi (01:09:32.571)
Yeah, yeah. Well, and I think it shows growth for Tom, right? He just had this sleazy moment, but it's like he learned something from Ben. Like when he was asking Ben to look at all the reports for him, like he actually was paying attention because now he can go look at a report by himself and be like, like, I know what's going on here. So I loved that little like, he's grown too kind of thing.

Holly (01:09:38.498)
Mm-hmm.

Uh-huh.

Holly (01:09:51.34)
Yeah, absolutely.

Holly (01:09:55.489)
Yeah. Me too. so he says he wants five hundred a week, not one hundred. and this is the part again that I was talking about where Hank is like, Do you know how lucky you are to be working here? Like, do you know how how much like you know, fun this is for you and how many people don't have this job? And I'm like, Luck doesn't pay the bills, honey. Okay. Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense.

Madi (01:10:17.759)
Yeah, 500 still seems low for how much he does.

Holly (01:10:22.174)
Yeah, exactly. although he does take out the janitorial duties at the end a literal salaried job for a lot of people. Okay, so that's insane that he was doing that. So this is the part where I hate Hank, 'cause I'm like, don't tell me how lucky I am to be working here. Do you know how lucky you are to have me bringing in all the fucking profit? Hello?

Madi (01:10:26.953)
That's great.

Madi (01:10:33.555)
Yeah.

I know, my gosh.

Madi (01:10:44.805)
Yeah, for real.

Holly (01:10:46.678)
Anyways. All right, moving on. So April says to Jen that this internship leads to nowhere. And Jen says that, because April's asking her what she wanted to be when she was growing up. And Jen says that she wanted to be a mermaid that leads sailors to their death, which is so cute and totally April's vibe, which is why she wants to adopt her, which I think is really cute for April to even say that. They could be friends, or April could be the mentor to Jen. You know, that would be fun. Maybe we need a little side.

Madi (01:11:02.419)
Yes.

Madi (01:11:07.943)
Yeah, for real. yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Holly (01:11:15.01)
fan fiction moment of that.

Madi (01:11:17.843)
Well, yeah, because I mean, April, like she's acting like she's had an awful time here the entire time. She's found things that she's liked to do.

Holly (01:11:22.752)
Exactly. Right. Right. So this is yeah, so then she gets to her saying, Don't take this job, which is sucky because without this job, April would probably be even more directionless, like not have anything going on. She would be literally just staring at the wall, I feel. Like, even if she doesn't love this job now, but and we'll get to what Craig says, like, she'd now have skills and work experience for her resume. Sh I don't think she would have had a resume if it wasn't for this job or like know how to

Madi (01:11:35.825)
Yeah.

Madi (01:11:47.932)
Yeah.

Holly (01:11:51.851)
you know, send an email and or you know what I mean? Like be professional. And I know April isn't there yet to think of this, like of her skill set that she's acquired in this job. But to ruin someone else's work experience and think Jen is gonna turn out just like her is selfish. And we all know that. And April knows that too. But she's just again not there yet to understand what she's doing quite yet. But a part of me thinks she does know what she's doing. She's just like so

Madi (01:11:54.247)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (01:12:07.795)
Yeah.

Holly (01:12:20.628)
overtaken by how shitty she feels about not having her future planned out, you know?

Madi (01:12:26.887)
Yeah, yeah, she's definitely projecting here. And I think you could still mentor and be honest, but not be so like, don't work here, you know, like you could say, Hey, you know, there's some really good times I've had here. This is what I'm, I'm dealing with right now. Like I knew back then I didn't want to do this and I leaned into it and now I feel behind, but like, Hey, this will give you really good experience. So for the summer, it's a great, you know, and just, I'm, I'm here to help you find what you want to, if there's something else you want to do.

like she could have mentored differently.

Holly (01:12:57.398)
Yeah. Right. Totally. Anyway, and also I was wondering, is this the first time we're like seeing this commissary slash like lunch place? Because it looks kinda cute. I don't feel like I've ever seen it before.

Madi (01:13:09.361)
Is it the, no, is it the one that like they try to get Jerry in for his retirement day? And finally we're inside, it's totally different? Okay, yeah, I don't think we've ever seen that.

Holly (01:13:16.158)
no, it's a totally different one.

Yeah, it's like a Yeah, it's like a cafeteria and and like not a like the fancy place that they try to get Jerry into. You know what mean? Yeah.

Madi (01:13:30.91)
Yeah.

Holly (01:13:33.142)
Okay, let's see. So Matt comes up and April crushes his dreams paper, which is so awful. I hate that. But this kid does a great job. It's really good.

Madi (01:13:40.319)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Holly (01:13:45.581)
Okay, so back at Grizzle, we're getting the tour of the building and seeing all the new apps. I do like that composer app thing that they have, like and people on VR machines, like the music notes going across the this the like projection or whatever. Yeah. And then we get this worker introducing the app that tracks your moods. So casually, he says, as you know, the cameras on your phone are always on, whether you're using them or not.

Madi (01:14:00.988)
Yeah, that is cool.

Madi (01:14:13.631)
Big fear of mine. Hate that. Like whenever I'm done with video calls, I slide the thing back over the camera on the computer.

Holly (01:14:16.342)
Yeah.

Holly (01:14:23.318)
Yeah. my gosh. Well, they say that, that's what that was a whole thing where people say to put tape over your camera because people could be like hacking into your computer and looking. I don't know how accurate that is or real, but I mean I wouldn't put it past hackers to try to do that.

Madi (01:14:36.625)
Yeah, I wouldn't either.

Holly (01:14:39.608)
So, okay, so this actor is played by Sean Clements. His character name is Matt Merbles, which I thought sounded familiar. And the MPR Pawnee radio host is Darry Merbles. And I was like, my god, are they related?

Madi (01:14:53.247)
Aww. I love that.

Holly (01:14:56.128)
I know. So funny. okay, so he's a writer and an actor. He wrote on Workaholics. He also wrote on Kevin Can F himself, which I'm sorry I hadn't heard of it, but it's with the sister on Shits Creek, who I love. and it I think it was a pretty big show, but he also wrote on The Grinder, which is the Rob Lowe and Fred Savage show I was talking about, that had Natalie Morales, aka Lucy in it, which is really cool crossover. He's also a UCB writer.

Madi (01:15:07.877)
Mm-mm. Mm.

Madi (01:15:18.588)
Yeah.

Holly (01:15:24.206)
he's acted in a lot of the shows that he wrote on, but he was also in curb your enthusiasm and comedy bang bang and other cool things. so yeah, super exciting. But he looks totally different in his IMDB picture versus this, which I know was a long time ago, but yeah, it's funny.

Okay. This app though that he's talking about uses facial recognition to track your moods and depending on your mood, it leads you to buy coffee, essentially, which is what I was talking about before, kind of, where I was like, Okay, so this is where the ads slash the money grabs from other companies come in because it was you th he leads you to believe that we're gonna be tracking your moods to help you like feel better. But it's really just like go get coffee depending on your mood.

Madi (01:15:57.279)
Hmm.

Madi (01:16:08.615)
Yeah, which then he says we're in development with Starbucks. So it's not even like, you're in this kind of mood. This is the coffee shop you could go, you should go to because of the vibe. It's like, we're just going to send you to Starbucks

Holly 
Leslie asks, kinda trying to be nonchalant, she asks, like, Are you guys like data mining question mark? And Roscoe straight up admits, like, hell yeah, like we're doing it. He's very confident, doesn't care that it is like morally

Madi 
Yeah.

Holly
wrong. banking, medical records. He goes see, this is the stuff that is in real life probably actually illegal. but who's to say with their lawyers and stuff that they have. and it's really gross. He said that that he calls tampons pawns 'cause he's like, we can anticipate what you guys need before you even need it. Like when you ladies need some pawns. Ew, fuck off, bro. I hate you. In that moment. No.

Madi (01:22.067)
Yeah.

Madi (01:30.83)
Ugh, hated that.

Madi (01:37.851)
So gross. Did not like that.

Holly (01:41.819)
anyways, so he knows it's Leslie and Ben because of all the geo maps and the face scans and so like he was just playing along with their, you know, outfits and wardrobe and stuff like that. And side note, they didn't even really touch on the AI part of all of this, but they would have had it like a fe a field day, I feel, with all the AI shit and data centers that there's going on. Ponne would be like definitely going through a data center fight right now.

Madi (02:00.913)
yeah.

Madi (02:05.489)
Yeah, agree. Hard agree.

Holly (02:08.75)
Anyway, okay, so also worth mentioning that paws is on his shirt instead of jaws, which I really like. the cat shirt.

Madi (02:15.003)
Yes. So cute. I loved that too.

Holly (02:19.23)
And again with the grizzle thing, again random worth mentioning though, the grizzle mantra of wouldn't it be tight if everyone was chill to each other? So dumb. And then Leslie suggests a debate and he thinks T V is retro, which I was like, how though? But I guess that's true because of all the streaming and iPads and stuff and not like an actual TV.

Madi (02:40.295)
Yeah, and it seems like this would be like a cable show, kinda like Judge Judy.

Holly (02:44.222)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. All right. So speaking of the Judge Shooty moment, we're at the Perdpulls Court, which my gosh, how convenient his name was Perd slash starts with P so it could be like a pun for the people.

Madi (02:55.411)
Yeah.

Madi (02:58.781)
So good.

Holly (02:59.98)
And it is interesting that there's issues he says it's issues for the people of southern Indiana, which is funny because it's not just Pawnee question mark. Interesting. Love all the disclaimers at the beginning and at the end and throughout the show that Pird is not a real judge. Absolutely.

Madi (03:07.077)
Mm. Yeah.

Madi (03:16.775)
Yep, very important to know.

Holly (03:20.096)
so Leslie is against Grizzle and Leslie is very confident because she has the support of the public. But now what they need in her talking heads, she says, is what Americans really want and respect public humiliation on live television. Which is what Purge Show will do.

Madi (03:36.765)
Yes. Yes it will.

Holly (03:38.584)
So Ron comes up to them and they're surprised that he's there because he wouldn't be at this normally. But he says, Don't go on TV. He brings this giant contract agreement thing for the free Wi-Fi. And turns out you need a magnifying glass to read the fine lines literally, which is a great way to be so literal about like making sure if you sign a contract or check things off, like you are really reading it. and you can't see it with the naked eye. And all these amendments that directs you to like the appendix.

Madi (03:59.049)
Mm.

Holly (04:06.885)
Which directs you to a sub footnote. It's like all these things. And we learned that the revision date of all this stuff was December eighteenth, twenty fifteen, which was the opening day of Star Wars episode seven. So they knew Ben would be distracted and they slipped it in.

Madi (04:20.5)
Mm-hmm. Yep. And that is the exact release date. So when they when they filmed this, they knew when it was coming out.

Holly (04:24.757)
Yeah.

Holly (04:28.719)
my gosh. Crazy. my gosh. And this is where Ben starts to blame himself and and ever instead of everyone saying like, no, it's not Ice Town Well, Leslie does, but everyone else is like, Yeah, it is Ice Town again. You should really make sure that you know what the hell you're doing before you sign a big contract like this. no, makes him feel so bad.

Madi (04:34.714)
Madi (04:39.539)
Yeah.

Madi (04:46.769)
Yeah. I know and I think Leslie's the reason I mean, she's his wife, so that helps that of why she's like comforting him. But also she's the only one that really saw what that was like for him because she went and visited Ice Town with him, or it wasn't I Ice Town, but you know, where he grew up with him and saw how he was treated. And so I think she she immediately jumps to, my gosh, no, it's not like that. Like it's not gonna be to that level.

Holly (05:03.423)
Yeah.

Holly (05:13.398)
Right.

Madi (05:14.003)
Whereas nobody else has that like visual of what that did to him.

Holly (05:17.845)
Yeah, total that's a good point. She's seen him break down about this. Yeah. That makes total sense. I do love that it Ron asks, Is Star Wars the one with a little wizard boy? The way he says it is just really funny.

Madi (05:21.907)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (05:28.881)
I can't. Yeah. It is really funny. Very well done.

Holly (05:34.848)
And also I do wanna just point this out too. I meant to play it when we were on the tour, but I kind of forgot about it. and now that we're on the data mining thing on TV, I'm gonna play this deleted scene. What it's another app that Grizzle has created and it's called Grizzle MD about like your doctor's notices and stuff. Again, with crazy illegal maybe potentially data mining. But anyway, here's this deleted scene.

Madi (05:51.547)
Madi (06:33.757)
That's so funny.

Holly (06:35.161)
It is so funny. my gosh. I love that they keep they bring this up all the time. Because we haven't really talked about Leslie's eating habits in a while.

Madi (06:42.555)
No, we haven't. We haven't. And that was a really like clever way to do it. I would totally have something like that. I know that that's this is like intrusive, but it's like to just to be able to go up and put your like hand on something or whatever and it's like this is what's going on. I'm like, all right, cool. Saves me a trip to the doctor.

Holly
I mean I think that's it I mean, I think that's kind of what they're doing with the Nora ring, whatever the fuck that's called. Fit bits, like aura ring, yeah. and all these things that do monitor that kind of stuff. Maybe not the vitamin D and the flossing and all that kind of stuff, but yeah, I mean we're kind of getting close I feel to having that. Which is kinda wild. but yeah, I guess when it's used properly it could be something that would work. I don't know. Anyhow

Madi 
the aura the aura ring, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Madi 
Yeah.

Holly 
while we're here, I also wanted to play it. I didn't play this either, but while we're on the deleted scene train, we talked about Burley and if this was Burley's last like moment with the or not last moment, but how he's been paid or if he's been paid or whatever. There is a deleted scene that I forgot to play. Can I can I just play it here? my gosh.

Madi 
Yeah.

Madi 
Yeah.

Madi (08:19.253)
my gosh.

Holly (08:20.469)
So much in that thirty seconds of Burley being like, I just wanna be professional and really make sure that we're working together correctly and on the same page, which is such a valid response to working with someone and he's like, No

Madi (08:26.183)
Yeah.

Madi (08:31.825)
It is Yeah. Mm yeah, no, that's more work than I was willing to put in.

Holly (08:37.461)
Yep. And the fact that Andy is doing fire pyrotechnics, no, no.

Madi (08:42.459)
I would never trust him with that. That's ridiculous.

Holly (08:45.119)
No. Actually that was kind of perfect because the next scene we're back with the station manager and Tom and Andy are there and he says no more janitorial duties, better parking, which is great. Unlimited Mike and I's okay, I guess that's a nice perk, but not really what we're after. and then the salary does does get to five hundred a a week, which is great. That's what we wanted. but then we get to the point of the rights to Johnny Karate and he says he can't bend on that. and

Madi (08:51.656)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (09:03.773)
Yeah.

Madi (09:08.425)
Yeah.

Madi (09:13.768)
Yeah.

Holly (09:14.249)
He's like, Well, create another one, you know? What and then starts naming all of these other character names and they are kind of funny. But Andy is sticks to his guns and listens to Tom and says, you know what, I'm just gonna walk. I'm gonna go to a different place if you can't bend on that.

Madi (09:23.506)
Yeah, they're good.

Holly (09:32.782)
And I I love this little talking head with Hank. He says that he has lower Great Lakes Emmy Awards. And I was like, is that real? And it is. That is a real thing. I did not realize that. There is a dedicated Central Great Lakes chapter of the National Academy of Television, Arts and Sciences. And they host the regional Emmy Awards. And I think there are regional Emmy Awards. So okay, Hank, fine. I guess that's something. But also you wouldn't have had those if it wasn't for the cast that gave them to you too. So be humble, bitch.

Madi (09:43.625)
Okay.

Madi (09:49.011)
Okay.

Madi (09:59.677)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Holly (10:02.349)
But yeah, what a hard thing. 'Cause I mean, maybe Hank is the one that hired him too and found him. I don't know. But that doesn't mean that you can't negotiate and be cool. Be chill, as Grizzle would say.

Madi (10:15.293)
Yeah, be chill, yeah.

Holly (10:18.411)
So and it's also really funny about the reasons why Andy will regret this because the Emmy Awards are really all he has going for him because when he says he has like the reasons why he's a hotshot essentially, like one of them being that he sat in the original Batmobile, and the other one is that James Woods follow his niece on Twitter. Like such a funny way to say that he's in a smaller market slash very big fish in a very, very small pond.

Madi (10:36.338)
Yeah.

Madi (10:41.669)
Uhhuh. Yeah. Yeah. Very far removed too.

Holly (10:46.581)
Mm-hmm. So now Donna and Ron are mad at Ben and Leslie's trying to talk Ben down, like, dear, like, you know, you made a mistake. But anyone I think anyone could have done this. Like, it's confusing on purpose. You know what I mean? Even if he wasn't distracted by Star Wars. I'm sure he wouldn't have missed it or been as distracted if it wasn't for Star Wars. But like the fact that you needed a literal magnifying glass to do that, like, come on. You know?

Madi (10:59.87)
Yeah.

Madi (11:09.715)
That's a problem, yeah. Yeah.

Holly (11:12.331)
So this is when April is talking to Craig and saying that she convinced Jen to leave. And this is the Craig moment we were talking about, which I love this Craig moment. He tells April, like, hey, you working here was not a wash. You didn't have a terrible time. And you did amazing things with this department. You grew and you you like you created the animal or you combined the animal control and the parks department. That was a big deal. You were mentored by the Leslie Nob. I love the respect, by the way, that he has for Leslie. That's so wonderful to show.

Madi (11:21.673)
Mm.

Madi (11:35.059)
Yeah.

Madi (11:41.479)
Yeah. Yeah, it's great. He I even in his short time working with her, he was able to see like what she did for the parks department.

Holly (11:49.344)
Yeah. and yeah, like he says, you know, what I said before, like she would have been even more directionless probably without this job, you know? So I think and like no business experience, no nothing to back up, like that you can work, you know what I mean? so I feel like but I like I said, I understand where April's coming from, but that was kind of shitty. But she makes up for it as we'll talk about later.

Madi (12:02.696)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (12:13.375)
And the next list also of Craig's to calm himself down is sweet potato pie, unlikely animal pairings, Jennifer Love Hewitt. I love his little smile at the end. And did it a I think it did answer our question that he's in Ron's office. So he must have Ron's job. So that wonder who's do wonder who's doing Leslie's job or if he's doing both.

Madi (12:22.482)
Yeah.

Madi (12:30.129)
Yeah. Yeah, he might yeah.

Yeah, that's great question.

Holly (12:37.431)
So Leslie starts speaking like purred, which is hilarious, while she's on the stand, like spouting nonsense to bide time and just kind of saying word salad and purred loves it, by the way. Extremely well put. And again, with the disclaimers I love every time they say Judge Perd, they have a thing at the bottom that says, you know, he's not a judge, just FYI.

Madi (12:48.988)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (12:58.119)
Yeah.

Holly (12:59.699)
And then we get one of my most favorite Ben moments in the whole world, which I have talked about this. I remember talking about this so dis like long. What's the word for that? I remember talking about this a lot, at length is what I should say. about the Wi Fi thing when with my troubles. If you've been listening to this podcast for a while, I live in a rural town that does not have Wi Fi, or like

Madi (13:14.59)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (13:24.001)
cable Wi Fi. You have to have satellite Wi Fi and most people have Starlink and I do not want to support Elon Musk and his bullshit. So I don't have that, but I do have T Mobile now. And ev and that is good. That's also a satellite one though. But it's capped because for whatever the fuck reason I can only use a certain amount of megabytes and I work from home so I have to be very careful. I watch a lot of my stuff on or on

Madi (13:37.043)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (13:48.812)
Like using my personal hotspot. Like when I do my workout videos, I use the personal hotspot. And even that has a cap, by the way. so it's just like insane to me. And so I love when Ben comes in and has that line of like Wi-Fi is not optional anymore. Like internet, I should say, is not optional. the way that we have built the world, which in a lot of ways is so great and everything is accessible to everyone. Like, you know, but

Madi (13:56.476)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (14:04.197)
Yeah. It's not.

Holly (14:15.999)
Anyway, so I love this moment when he says it what they're doing is technically not illegal, which this this part doesn't have anything to do with the Wi-Fi. This is just the the data mining. But it's definitely not chill. And that is brilliant from Ben. That's their whole mantra. That's a really big insult, slap in the face. And he says as much, where Roscoe says, That's a serious allegation, homie.

Madi (14:20.702)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (14:30.003)
Yeah.

Madi (14:33.917)
Well done.

Madi (14:38.481)
Mm-hmm. But yeah, he hit him where it hurt, so they they were thinking about it.

Holly (14:43.713)
That's so true. side note, there is a deleted scene where Leslie says, like, Are you sure you don't want to go on the air? Because Ben has a cease and desist letter that he wants Leslie to give to Roscoe that he drew up and it reminds us, which I totally forgot, that Ben is not good on live TV. But after you see this, you kind of forget about that moment because he was great on live TV at this moment. but and so he's grown up so much to make this like succinct, professional, well spoken speech.

Madi (15:01.405)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (15:07.624)
Yeah.

Holly (15:12.935)
and make these like really great points about like how we're you're taking advantage of the common man and w and woman and citizens, you know? so I just wanted to play this deleted scene though, because it is really funny.

Madi (15:23.038)
Yeah.

Holly (16:27.255)
Here's a bird.

Madi (16:27.277)
my gosh, yeah, that's so funny.

Holly (16:31.827)
my God. Yeah. So when he starts to like panic, he looks into the camera directly into the camera. but that's what he that's what's so funny because he looked directly into the camera when he says, I'm sorry, Pawnee. He like is speaking directly to us and that's really special. And I kinda wish that they didn't cut that part because I mean I get why they did, 'cause they got it across in the same way with the time constraints. But that really sets us up for when he runs for a certain something later on, you know?

Madi (16:42.567)
Hm. Yeah. It is, yeah.

Holly (16:58.059)
when he's like talking to the citizens and being like, I'm gonna make this happen for you. so anyway, but yeah, so that was a funny one. That he he's be like Panicky Ben is the best. Adam Scott does such a great job.

Madi (16:58.084)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Madi (17:10.375)
Yes. I know he yeah, he's really honed that skill for sure.

Holly (17:15.455)
Yeah. And I I love this too. I think this is a really good point that for when what's his name? When Roscoe says if you don't like it, you don't have to use our shiz. And I love this point that Ben makes that we kind of do. There like we said, there it's not optional, num number one. Number two, Pawnee, that is their option for Wi-Fi. There is no other option. They could use and this is like the equivalent I feel of an Elon Musk type of situation that I am in.

Madi (17:29.147)
Yeah. 'Cause we do.

Holly (17:43.406)
where you can either choose not to and not have internet or like have it capped like I have to try to be moral. But which by the way, I'm pretty positive that T-Mobile uses fucking Starlink satellites anyway. So I really don't think that there's anything I can do about that because like I said, I have to have internet for work. I work from home. But anyway, yeah it's just like it also reminds me not only of internet but like just these big corporations where like we do have to kind of use them. They've created this like monopoly in a way like Amazon

Madi (17:48.328)
Uh-huh.

Madi (17:59.944)
Yeah.

Madi (18:09.384)
Yeah.

Holly (18:11.703)
Home Depot, the big box stores where the there it's the only place that you can get certain things, without it being a terrible price. I mean, that is why people use Amazon so much, because of the price, in a way, but also the convenience, I feel. and I just feel like your hands are tied in a lot of ways with these awful companies. I don't even have Amazon before any anymore because I just don't I don't need it and I don't want it. but if I did have it, I'd probably get it for Prime because they do have some good shows on Prime. But regardless, like

Madi (18:21.159)
Yeah.

Holly (18:41.225)
It's like your hands are tied a lot of the times with these corporations. And so I think it's a really good point for Ben to bring up. Like, you citizens can be trapped by these corporations that are making so much fucking money by you and you are in debt and these and Roscoe is a millionaire. You know what I'm saying? And so it's like, I really am glad that he said that. He makes the great point about the, you know, you shouldn't have to have an advanced law degree. You should be upfront and allow

Madi (18:45.128)
Yeah.

Madi (18:58.354)
Yeah.

Madi (19:07.795)
Yeah.

Holly (19:07.873)
people the ability to opt out. And that is what we've been saying about AI. When all these celebrities who by the way have stocks in AI are trying to convince you like AI is here to stay, like just embrace it, whatever, it's not going away. And I do agree to a point that it can be a tool. Like we've talked about this before, but if people don't want to use it, then they shouldn't have to. You know what I mean? And what I what I think AI can be used as a tool for is like things that humans can't actually do. like, you know,

Madi (19:27.389)
Yeah.

Holly (19:36.448)
logistical tasks and like splicing like even with videos and stuff sometimes I think this use Riverside uses AI to like record and whatever. But like it can't replace the creativity and the emotion that humans can create. And that is what's a big huge thing in Hollywood right now. They are replicating like imagination and creativity and connection, human connection. And

Madi (19:51.571)
Yeah.

Madi (19:59.977)
Mm.

Holly (20:04.427)
That is where it gets tricky for me because when AI tries to replicate connection, it fails on every level. Because these chatbots are what is literally killing teenagers and people because they are there have been stories more than one of people and I don't mean to get dark, but this is what I mean when I say AI is dangerous because it is telling people how to off themselves, how to not be connected with people, and or like

Madi (20:10.877)
Yeah.

Madi (20:22.43)
Yeah.

Holly (20:32.929)
They're they're factually incorrect. That is something that you have to AI is scraping a bunch of things. And so it's not always correct. And so that's also where it's tricky too. Like if you're using it for factual, like something that you're teaching, like for an education, like you can't use AI for that. You have to like really fact check, you know, like a and that's what I mean when I say it can be used a as a tool. But for these like artists that are created, like those ones on Spotify that's like an AI artist that's like

Madi (20:41.789)
Yeah.

Holly (21:02.731)
chart topping. I'm like, are you are you being serious? It's so dangerous. So anyway, I know that that was a tangent that we're not talking about AI, but I think that we could get there, honestly. So I love Yorma's performance here where it's so nerdy and ashamed and his like body language, like he gets that it makes sense that what he's doing is not chill. And it's a wonderful Ben moment. So hot, so smart.

Madi (21:09.427)
Yeah.

Madi (21:17.619)
Yeah, agreed.

Madi (21:26.334)
Yeah.

Holly (21:31.105)
And Perd says he's stumped, which is dumb because there's clearly a winner. Okay. But he create he says it's a mistrial. He doesn't have his judge hammer. And I love this disclaimer gavel at the bottom.

Madi (21:35.037)
Yeah. Come on.

Madi (21:42.931)
Gavel. I know that was so good when that came on the screen.

Holly (21:47.564)
Yes. And this is where Steve Day comes back. This is a guy who the guy who says like and we're clear. That's a reminder, that's the first AD. Then we get to Andy saying that he's gonna be a janitor somewhere else because at this point he's walked away so he can have Johnny Karate rights, which I think is both funny and I'm so saddened by him being excited about minimum wage.

Madi (22:08.583)
Yeah yeah, Andy.

Holly (22:11.725)
But Tom got the rights. He cried to Hank, which this I'm so glad they showed us this scene and they didn't cut that because my gosh. This is what he said he did in like season one or two or something when he says he just cries to get his way. But I'm so glad he did it this time, for good, like for the for the good cause, you know? Ugh, love that.

Madi (22:25.406)
Mm.

Yeah.

Holly (22:33.719)
Well, do you have any other notes before we move on? All right, so back at the parks department, April has gathered a million interns for Craig to choose from, which is really nice. She did the right thing, and that's nice. And she does say sorry. She says the words I'm sorry. I kind of was wondering if she should have gotten Jen back, actually, and like told her to try it.

Madi (22:36.133)
No, that's it.

Madi (22:43.625)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (22:54.195)
Just come get the experience, see if you like it. Yeah.

Holly (22:56.969)
Yeah. That was kinda weird that she just got all these new people. But I'll let it slide.

Madi (23:00.797)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I s I see that.

Holly (23:06.049)
But this is great foreshadowing and I think they a hundred percent this is my take on it. I think they a hundred percent knew that what she was going to eventually do as her job, because she said but maybe they didn't know, but I think this is I think they did because this is great foreshadowing where she says, she really enjoyed finding them and she really liked telling them what to do and where to be. She baked cookies, which love that. She her l her mentor Leslie Nope definitely rubbed off on her, which I love that.

Madi (23:34.461)
Yeah.

Holly (23:36.615)
and she says she enjoyed telling Jen not to take the job, so Craig says you should add telling people what to do to your perfect job description, which again is some foreshadowing if you've seen the show before. which by the way, does everyone know that April's looking for a new job, like except Leslie? I wouldn't have anticipated that Craig seems to know, but he does.

Madi (23:43.635)
Yeah.

Madi (23:54.321)
Yeah, that is that is weird. I thought about that as well because it was my understanding that it was just Ben at this point, not Andy.

Holly (24:01.993)
Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, maybe he well, maybe he just knows that she doesn't like her job and she's like not really interested in what she's doing because of everything that happened in this episode or whatever.

Madi (24:03.335)
So very interesting.

Madi (24:10.185)
Mm.

Madi (24:16.453)
Yeah, in this episode. Yeah. Maybe he's yeah, maybe he's just locked into that.

Holly (24:21.387)
But it kind of sounds like he knows, so I don't know. Anyhow, let's see. Lucy comes back, which is very exciting. she comes back, talks to Tom. She says it was a weird trip to Chicago because her and her boyfriend broke up, and which is very exciting for the audience. And that's nice that Tom asks if she wants to talk about it. I think that's really sweet.

Madi (24:23.581)
Yeah, interesting.

Madi (24:30.491)
Uh-huh.

Madi (24:35.443)
Yeah.

Madi (24:43.377)
Yeah, it's it's it's yeah, it's mature. It's mature for Tom. And I think it shows that at the at the root of it, he cares about her. He's he doesn't care about like where does he fit into the relationship. He cares about how she's feeling and how she is. And he's not re he's like not taking this opportunity to swoop in. Like he used to do that with Anne, right? Like just like, okay, bro, not the moment, not the moment. Like

Holly (24:45.431)
Mature.

Holly (25:07.73)
Mm-hmm. Yes.

Madi (25:10.695)
You're right. Like he's showing that maturity yeah, that maturity. And to me it's like he's putting her he's putting her before what he wants out of this relationship, which is nice.

Holly (25:19.297)
Yes. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Okay, so then we kinda move on, from the whole like awkward breakup moment. And it's so lovely this moment that they created because they get on the topic that of whatever happened with between Nicki Minaj and Jesse Eisenberg, but they can and also Nicki Minaj is dead to me. I love rapping her songs and I'm really mad at it, but she's super MAGA and I'm mad about it now.

Madi (25:32.007)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (25:45.359)
Mhm. Yeah, not a not a yeah, for sure. I'm with you.

Holly (25:46.624)
Anyway, moving on. Yes. but the I just love that they can banter and it really shows how much of a friendship they have, even before the romantical stuff. Like they have such a cute relationship together, just like having things in common, being able to really hold a conversation with each other and have fun with each other too. And also it sounds like they disagree too, but they wanted to like

Madi (25:59.293)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (26:09.939)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (26:13.985)
talk about their thoughts so that they could get each other's side. And I know it's like really, you know, tri like trivial and elementary to be ch it's it doesn't matter this thing that they're talking about. It's not, you know, life changing. But to them it's important. And I like that they can bond over those things. It's very sweet. and I love too that they did not draw out her relationship with her boyfriend. That we had to wait. I love that we didn't have to wait that long.

Madi (26:22.633)
Yeah.

Madi (26:30.429)
Yeah, agreed. Yeah.

Madi (26:40.882)
Yeah.

Holly (26:43.857)
Because you know, I I mean you kinda could guess that they were gonna she might have broken up with him or like they were Tom and her were eventually gonna get together because she moved from Chicago. So it's like, how's that gonna work essentially? but I mean you can draw out wrong relationships for a very long time in shows, okay? AKA Tom and A. All right. And many other television shows. They felt like forever.

Madi (26:56.841)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (27:04.187)
Yeah. That felt like forever. Mm-hmm.

Holly (27:10.723)
so I'm glad they didn't make us wait too long for Tom and Lucy. And we know that we know that the i they're on the way. They didn't I also love that they don't immediately like make out. You know what I mean? Like it's a very nice balance.

Madi (27:16.307)
Yeah.

Madi (27:19.857)
Yeah.

Agreed.

Holly (27:24.535)
So Leslie is very nice and reiterates to Ben that this is not Ice Town. He's done so much for the town, which is so true. But Ben is like, We need more ammo. I wish we could have found something illegal to do something, w to them 'cause and now they're both at home just to set the stage. And we get a doorbell ring. And this is the epic part that you and I were talking about.

Madi (27:33.193)
Yeah.

Holly (27:47.202)
Where you texted me, which, yes, it is so epic. Ron rings a doorbell. He got a flying robot to his son who doesn't have a grizzle doodad, which we are bring that's a callback to him calling the doodad at JJ's Diner. Somehow Diane's computer was looked at by the robots and they found something on his son/slash family, which is a huge breach of trust because as we discussed at JJ's Diner, Ron is very protective of his family and his privacy. And now that these things are happening to him.

Madi (27:48.755)
Yeah.

Holly (28:16.277)
both of those things are being threatened. Absolutely not. And that is really the point for me that I would like to get across. It is coming for you. And I when I say it, I don't mean robots or anything like that. I mean if you are on the wrong moral side of history, you will not be saved by saying, well it doesn't affect me and they're gonna look out for me because I work for them or cause I'm on their side. It will come for you. You are not safe by not resisting. Okay. That's all I have to say about that.

Madi (28:16.36)
Uh-huh.

Madi (28:25.158)
Yeah.

Madi (28:36.893)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (28:46.359)
So Ron is like, yo, we gotta we gotta crush them. And it's also smart because, like I said, they're not giving bad things or stealing money. They're literally giving them gifts. So it's a good way to see that it could be easy to accept it. Like I just said, like it can be easy to just accept it and not understand that this is something like bad slash potentially illegal, all those kinds of things. but now we know that this company cannot be trusted regardless.

Madi (28:50.375)
Yeah, he's feeling it.

Madi (28:58.313)
Yeah.

Madi (29:09.075)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (29:15.117)
but I also love the sl and I was gonna say I I I just I feel like I love the slow burn between I like that they did this with both Tom and Lucy and Ron and Leslie because I like that at the beginning of this episode they're cool with each other as friends, but they're really not on the same team yet professionally or morally.

Madi (29:15.177)
Regardless, yeah.

Madi (29:25.747)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (29:33.053)
Mm-hmm.

Holly (29:34.894)
so the ending of this is truly amazing. Like such a fantastic ending. So like this is a war now. Ron and Leslie could do anything together. And with Ben too, doing like the logistical legal stuff and Nick's like Nick Offerman's like performance of I Wanna Help You Take Down. So badass. So beautiful. And then Leslie's smile at the end. like sinister. And it's raining.

Madi (29:43.785)
Madi (29:51.709)
Yeah.

So good. Yeah. And it's raining. Like way to way to build the the vibe, you know.

Holly (30:01.331)
Absolutely. With a gun in his hand. fuck. That is like w you guys are going down. It's epic.

Madi (30:04.382)
Yeah.

Yeah. It's so good. It's like it's like the like the John Wick vibe of like, you killed my dog, here we fucking go. Like Yeah, I love them. They did a great job.

Holly (30:14.133)
Mm.

Yeah. That's so real. Mm. Mm. Yeah. I feel like a I need I'm sure this has been done before, but with this, I almost wanted like, you know how there's fan art? I wanted there to be art of like them being superheroes, Ron and Leslie. I want them in their like superhero capes slash Spider Man outfits. That's what it made us feel, I feel. You know what I'm saying? So great ending.

Madi (30:29.937)
Mm yeah. So good.

Yeah.

Madi (30:42.845)
Yeah, mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah, and like this is this is the first episode of the two of the evening that this aired. So the next episode we review, luckily, is like right after the audience gets to kind of experience how are they going to defeat them? What's the next step?

Holly (30:49.197)
Hmm.

Holly (31:05.909)
Yes. Perfect. Well, I do have one last deleted scene, that again, I'm sorry, I forgot to play. However, it's a nice funny moment. It's a it's a funny way to end. this is with Morris at the at the city council, the one that's like, I could I'm watching Iron Man on my phone right now. Like we don't need a video store. hold on. He's like four Grizzle. let me just play it.

Madi (31:16.317)
Nice.

Madi (31:23.207)
Yeah.

Madi (32:00.958)
my gosh.

Holly (32:05.773)
Leslie Nope feet.

Madi (32:08.537)
All right.

Gosh why? So funny.

Holly (32:15.693)
I know that they cut it for time constraints, but it is interesting to see the people but I think like the people that would disagree that would want to put like have a counterpoint to that, because there's always one, at least one or more. Like their little tiny small group of people, whatever, but that are also very loud. But I think we get the counterpoint with Ron and that was enough. You know what mean? So or at the beginning with Ron. So yeah, but that was just Morris is always funny. It's so funny Hilma.

Madi (32:24.937)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Madi (32:33.705)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Madi (32:40.763)
Yeah, yeah. That's always good.

Holly (32:43.243)
Which side note, he was really Joe Mandy who plays that was really involved with hacks. and so was a lot of the writers and Mike Scher for for hacks and that just had its final season. It is so good. my god. It's I'm obsessed with that show. So if you haven't watched it, please watch it. Ugh. And they're shorter episodes. They're thirty to thirty five minutes. So good. Yes, it's I think it's the best.

Madi (32:50.451)
Mm.

Madi (32:55.889)
Nice. I'll have to add it to the list. Yeah.

love that. Need those.

Holly (33:05.761)
So anyhow, that's it for Grizzle Box. Thank you so much for listening. And yeah, we are just rolling right along with this season. So don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe. And yeah, we'll see you next time. Okay, bye.

Madi (33:17.169)
See next time.