(S7Ep2) Ron and Jammy!

Iconic episode alert! Madi teaches us about the Cubs (Mike Schur and the writers are wizards, regardless of what they say), we learn about the Geneva Conventions and we see humanity come back to Leslie and Ron to save their colleague Jamm. And special thank you and "see you later" to Yvans Jourdain (Councilman Howser), Kevin Symons (Councilman Dexhart), and Megan Mullally (Tammy 2), all of their very last episodes of the season!!! What a service they provided and I'm just so grateful! Plus Natalie Morales (Lucy) comes back, yay! 

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Sources:

https://onu-geneve.delegfrance.org/70-years-of-the-Geneva-Conventions

https://bedfordandbowery.com/2014/09/look-for-werner-herzog-on-parks-and-recreation/

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2014/09/werner-herzog-parks-and-recreation-cameo

https://ronakheartsindy.wordpress.com/2016/12/18/the-complete-parks-and-recreation-guide-to-indianapolis/

https://www.bestcolleges.com/trades/how-to-become-a-mortician/

Transcript

Holly Constant (00:31.446)
All right, so we are in episode two, which is so crazy. Ron and Jamie, one of the best episodes. People always talk about it, I feel, when they think of Parks and Rec. It's amazing. But I do have a little bit of an update from last episode. So I said I wanted to find out how exactly Werner Herzog, aka Ken Jaggings, which is his character name, the one who sold Andy and April the Haunted House got to be on Parks and Rec. And I couldn't find exactly who asked him to be in it.

although Google did say, you know, Mike Schur and the writers were fans, but there wasn't like an official official an actual official article about it. But, however, I did find an article of Werner Hertzog talking about it, and I'll post it in the show notes so that you guys can read it too. he said the Disney World line was actually improvised, which was so crazy. he said that he just had this idea and the writers gave him leeway to kind of go with it. it says, quote

When we were done shooting, I said to the team, I would like to add something to the text. Can I speak right into the camera? And I said straight to the audience, I've lived in this home for 47 years, but I'm selling it now because I want to move to Orlando, Florida to be close to Disney World. And he said his ad lib was a major hit. And he said, quote, people peed their pants. And he's also quoted as saying, just 10 days ago I acted in a tiny cameo part in a TV show called Parks and Recreation question mark.

Madi (01:47.15)
You

Holly Constant (01:57.41)
I've never seen the show, but I hope they keep some of it. Which I thought that was funny. So yeah, that would make sense that if that Mike Sher and the writers were fans, because it's not like he asked to be on it, like 'cause he didn't know about it. but yeah, I thought that was a really interesting tidbit.

Madi (02:09.974)
Yeah.

Madi (02:14.306)
that is I love that that was improv and that he had that sense of humor to add that in.

Holly Constant (02:18.784)
Yeah, totally. And especially in his we talked about this last week, but especially with his you know, monotone and his character, it was and personality, it was really great. And I was thinking even I rewatched some of it just to make sure and he has he already has his fanny pack on in that episode. So I'm like, my gosh, he's just ready for Disney World. He's ready to go at a moment's notice.

Madi (02:34.958)
Yep. Absolutely. He just needs the ears.

Holly Constant (02:41.334)
Yep. Okay, so season seven, episode two, Ron and Jamie, written by the late great Harris Whittles. And if you're new here, Harris is a huge backbone of Parks. As a writer, producer, actor, he is one half of the animal control department in Parks and Rec. lost too soon. and then and we'll see a little cameo of him later, also in this very episode, which is exciting.

And then this was directed by Dean Holland. Again, he directed last episode, so he's really on the ball for season seven, which is really exciting because yeah, he's the best. So

Madi (03:13.762)
Yeah, that's great. I was going to ask you, because last week we talked about how a lot of the episodes were released on the same evening. they would do two episodes, two episodes, two episodes. Do you know if this episode followed the first one or if they waited till the next week to start that? Okay.

Holly Constant (03:21.838)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (03:28.247)
Yeah, it did.

Madi (03:30.892)
That makes a lot of sense to me to use Dean a second time and like in a row. And then also I just felt when this episode starts, it just kind of starts. Like she's just walking right into Jam's office. And so I was going to ask you that because it's like, okay, this feels like that would be how it ran.

Holly Constant (03:34.126)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (03:40.055)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (03:49.568)
Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, we'll have to keep an eye out and see if each two episodes are directed by the same person. So like the next two episodes if they're directed by the same person and how and see if that's kind of like a thing that they did or if Dean was just such a, you know, backbone already and huge part of Parks. So it's like why not just keep going with him? but yeah, we'll see. Okay, well, I have summary whenever. so I'm ready.

Madi (04:09.366)
Yeah, for real. Great.

Madi (04:16.558)
short and sweet so we can dive in. the midst of city council vote, Ron and Leslie put aside their differences to save Jeremy Jam from Tammy too. Andy helps his, I wrote a Zs. Andy helps Tom, not completely wrong, sorry guys. Andy helps Tom in his quest to no longer be lonely and Ben helps April search for her next career move.

Holly Constant (04:28.532)
I mean, not r completely wrong.

Holly Constant (04:41.622)
Yay. Love this. quick couple notes. This is the producer's cut that's on Peacock, by the way. This is not the original air. It's a longer version. so now we're getting to see some cutscenes. I do have the DVDs and there's some scenes, even like last season, that were just full-on replaced. they just it wasn't extended, it was just replaced with a different scene. So we'll get into that a little bit too. Very exciting to kinda have both sides of it. So I love that.

Madi (04:44.706)
Yeah.

Madi (04:49.163)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (05:11.702)
Yeah, yeah, I definitely had scenes that stuck out to me like, they didn't say that in the original, but I don't know if I'd be able to place what was replaced.

Holly Constant (05:17.122)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, totally. And I mean, it's all in the realm. It's not like that's totally out of the ordinary, you know, it's not like, that doesn't belong there. Like it all would fit, you know? So yeah, I'm excited to kind of get into which ones are which. but yeah, we start this episode with Leslie, like reluctantly but gallantly, like she is taking a deep breath before she enters, going into Jam's office. Gross. I did see on the IMDB that the braille is wrong on his door.

Madi (05:27.342)
Mm.

Holly Constant (05:49.442)
I don't know if that's completely wrong. If anyone reads Braille, please let me know. But apparently, like one of the numbers is switched for his room number. so that's a fun fact. but yeah, so we find out in a talking head that the city council is voting on whether or not to rezone the Newport land for commercial use. And the deciding vote is jam, which is gross because now she has to like grovel slash kiss up to him. just like she's

Madi (05:51.005)
Okay.

Madi (05:58.153)
okay. Yeah.

Holly Constant (06:16.278)
Always done for what she believes in, but it's just like my god, really, Jam? Come on.

Madi (06:23.116)
Yeah, it's like we're relieving, reliving season four, five again here for sure. Yeah.

Holly Constant (06:28.367)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Human equivalent of gas station sushi. I really like that line. That's what jam is.

Madi (06:35.238)
I love that. I love that too. have that. I have that written down too. I was gonna like say I good for Leslie because I I feel like she hasn't had to interact with Jim very much at all if this is the first time she's noticing some of this stuff with him.

Holly Constant (06:52.042)
Yeah, totally. Yeah. She and she says, like, I really hope t I would never have to talk to you again. But here we are. Love that honesty. but but yeah. And he says he's in a pretty steamy relationship when Leslie says that she notices something different. And I wouldn't right off the bat assumed that he looked like Ron. Like now that I know he does, it's like super obvious. But when I first see him, I know I'm not like, he's

Madi (06:58.284)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Holly Constant (07:20.428)
dressed like Ron. So I think that's really like subtle and interesting that he does that. And his hair does look different too. I mean it was subtle to me. I don't know. Maybe other people. Right, exactly. so yeah.

Madi (07:27.458)
Yep, it's not the fro.

Madi (07:33.078)
Yeah, no, I think I agree with you. I think when you know it's Ron, it's like, they did such a great job of doing that. But it's not like a bold face, like, that's who he looks like kind of vibe. Yeah.

Holly Constant (07:41.918)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Totally. And he says he needs to ask his girlfriend how to vote, and we're like, God, who is it gonna be? And then we get a jump scare of it being Tammy too. my god.

Madi (07:59.647)
Yeah. Yeah. yeah, it is. Yeah. she's amazing. She's absolutely amazing. I love that we've brought her back. You know, like you said last episode, there's going to be a season of rounding out all these people who have been here from the beginning. And so it's very cool to kind of see that start happening.

Holly Constant (08:00.206)
Leslie. my gosh, she's so good.

Holly Constant (08:19.138)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (08:23.062)
Yeah, absolutely. And this is gonna be Megan's last episode with Parks. It's crazy. It is starting to sink in too when I'm seeing all the and I'll mention a couple people that this is their they've been in episodes like from the very beginning. And this is like getting to the point where in the next couple episodes it the guest stars are starting to wrap their character. They're no longer the gets their last episode. And it's so crazy. We've come such a long way.

Madi (08:27.988)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (08:45.58)
Yeah.

Madi (08:50.422)
Yeah, I feel like that's got to be it's got to be heartbreaking to be the actors and it because it's a little heartbreaking as the audience.

Holly Constant (08:55.342)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Totally. my God. and following up from last season, so just as a heads up, I don't know how many people remember this, but this was technically a deleted scene, what I'm about to say. in last in the finale of last season, season six, they made out Ta Tammy and Jam at Tom's Beastro because Diane and Ron were trying to get them together to be jealous of each other and like distract them from

you know, getting to to getting to Ron. And when I first saw this, I kind of forgot about that. And I was like, why do they keep seeing each other? Why are they still together? This is so weird. And then I was like, my God. Right. That was cut from and I do think that now I understand why it's cut, but I actually love that idea of the season six finale of them like being distracted and just trying to get together to, you know,

Madi (09:30.318)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (09:43.159)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (09:55.48)
for Ron's reasons. but yeah, that's so crazy. So the whole story of them meeting at karaoke now makes sense. And that's the story that they I mean, the the story that they created, like this makes sense too. So it I mean it works both ways. But yeah, it's really interesting that we got to see two different versions of how they got together.

Madi (09:57.975)
Yeah.

Madi (10:08.248)
Yeah.

Madi (10:14.664)
Absolutely. And that was the tip off for me was when they said karaoke, was like, my gosh, that's right. That wasn't real at the end of the sixth season. Yeah. So, I mean, I think, but yeah, you can see it both ways. I think it's just sadder if you see it the season six way, because you're like, he's been trapped in this for six years or three years. Sorry. my gosh. Because while I hate jam so much,

Holly Constant (10:19.669)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Holly Constant (10:30.062)
Totally Yeah. Yes, absolutely.

Madi (10:38.35)
This makes me so sad for him as a person, because this relationship is so toxic, and he does not even have his own thoughts and feelings anymore. I just, like, I'm with Leslie and Ron in this episode to, like, save him. So, yeah.

Holly Constant (10:51.584)
Yeah. Yeah, totally. my god. Ugh. yeah, they're all over each other. It's really gross. They're on top of his desk. They call each other Jammy. Well, Leslie calls them jammy, which is funny. but can I just say also this is really random, but I'm really glad that they kept her glasses because I really encourage everyone to look at the TV shows that you watch.

Madi (11:03.402)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (11:13.91)
And there's barely anyone with glasses. And I know that they're keeping in touch with the librarians and all these things. And from a logical standpoint, like I've talked about this before, where like in filming you can see reflection and glare off of glasses sometimes. So sometimes it's easier to just not have them. But it's total that's like feels like a cop out. Like you can totally make it work without that. So I love seeing like when I watch 30 Rock and Tina Faye is wearing glasses, I'm like, yes, glasses queens. Like get together with it.

Because and I understand Tammy's not like the best, you know, role model for glasses wearers. However, I am just glad to see representation of people who wear glasses. And I just thought it was really interesting because also a lot of like sexy presenting people, like they can't be wearing glasses. Like the whole trope is that you take off your glasses to be sexy. And so I'm really happy that they kept her glasses to and and she's still sexy and queen like and like vicious, of course.

Madi (11:45.664)
No.

Yeah.

Madi (11:57.038)
Mm.

Holly Constant (12:08.94)
Disgusting and awful, sure, but still like a queen nonetheless. So had to have that little moment.

Madi (12:09.963)
Yeah.

Yes. I love that. Don't associate me with her personality, but like the glasses and how hot she pulls them off. Yes.

Holly Constant (12:19.968)
Mm-hmm. Right. Yes, exactly. Representation matters. All right. Leslie is all of us, I feel, when she says, why? Like, what hapoh, and she's trying like form her thoughts and she's just like, dear God, why? And again, this is when they said they met a karaoke. Okay, got it. and he says he he's gonna vote, however, Tammy says to vote. my god. What?

Madi (12:27.562)
It does. I love it.

Madi (12:34.943)
Dear God, why?

Madi (12:46.482)
Mm, yeah, just not good. Just not good. Yeah, really toxic red flags all over the place.

Holly Constant (12:50.518)
No. And then

All over the place, red flags, yes. And this line, I believe, also, yeah, this line was cut too where she said, I moved solely to destroy Ron. That's why she's still here. And I was like, interesting. Okay, like she moved here, like so she lived near him, like they grew up together. is what the cr the story that I'm creating in my mind, just like Tammy won. but I was like,

Madi (13:12.342)
Mm.

Madi (13:16.472)
Mm.

Yeah.

Holly Constant (13:21.353)
okay. That's a long game, man. That's a long ass game to play to get round.

Madi (13:23.818)
Hmm, long game. Yep, which is the other, the toxic side, the other toxic side. Like that, I mean, we've always known that Ron and Tammy are toxic, but you're seeing a side where like.

It's her, she's changing her life that much for somebody who's been married for like what, five years now, four or five years now, and has kids with this other person and has very, very clearly told you that they don't wanna be with you. And you're just like, girl, honey, go to therapy.

Holly Constant (13:53.483)
Yeah.

I know. That's yikes. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. So I really loved getting that backstory though. That was really interesting. And then yeah, Leslie says, dear. Leslie says, like, well, you if you wanna torture Ron, like, vote for me, because Ron is my opponent now. And she knows it's wrong. I really love Amy's performance here where she has a little look of like, you know, her eye contact is a little bit like, God, what did I just do? A little bit of guilt moment happening.

Madi (14:01.591)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Same zis. Yeah.

Holly Constant (14:26.274)
Glancing away, but again, it's we're on the steamrolling, we gotta do whatever it takes, train, and that's just what she feels like she has to do in this moment.

Madi (14:35.82)
Yeah, and in that talking head right after, I love this because she did this in the first episode of the season and she's doing it again where she's calling herself out, right? She's like, because I have tunnel vision when I want to get something done and so I'm doing it. And we've never seen her do that. other people pointed out to her. So in a way, Leslie still gets to be Leslie. But like I said last episode, like we're seeing the self-awareness, which to me is growth. So I love it.

Holly Constant (14:43.595)
Mm.

Yeah.

Holly Constant (14:53.142)
Yeah.

Mm.

Holly Constant (15:01.152)
Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yes. So now April is executive director of regional affairs. that's funny. This was cut too, where she it was she changed it from regional affairs director. my gosh, that's really funny. Which is a very office vibe, but you know what I mean? Like assistant to the manager or assistant manager. Yeah, very funny. I love that.

Madi (15:15.319)
you

Madi (15:19.501)
Yep.

Holly Constant (15:26.284)
And this whole next scene, I mean, well, that line was cut, but it keeps going because this whole next scene was not in the original air, where Ben comes in and says, for the Bicentennial, they're doing a walk of fame for famous Pawnee people, which is really exciting. and today is Joan Calamezzo Day. So Ben invites April because April is a huge fan of Jones. And we do get to see the Bicentennial Walk of Fame, but we don't get the explanation for what exactly it is right here.

So, in the like in the original air, it just goes straight to the demands that Joan requested at the actual ceremony. you know, the Buddy Holly thing and when they're actually outside of City Hall. so I thought that was cool.

Madi (16:06.38)
Yep. Yeah, that is cool. And I never, didn't clock that that was new information because it just fits so seamlessly that we were getting set up for what the next scene was.

Holly Constant (16:13.72)
Totally. Yeah. Absolutely. and yeah, one of the reasons why she's gone so crazy with April's Talking Head explaining this, is that we learn in the last three years she's gone way off the deep end. Like you thought that she was off the deep end already, but she goes even more so than usual. She did a string of shows from rehab. I also love I think it's so funny that it's branded at rehab. Like it's it's not you know, like an iPhone

Madi (16:40.929)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (16:42.728)
Like that she snuck in or something like that. Like there is a literal camera crew that followed her and it's not just on her grizzle room grizzle phone in her room. There's a little banner at the bottom that says literally Pawnee today. It's just like it's a full on production in this anonymous rehab, which I think is so funny.

Madi (16:44.823)
No, yeah.

You

Madi (16:54.284)
Yeah.

Madi (17:01.106)
Yeah, it shows how she just can't let go. And it almost made me wonder like, were they there the entire time? Like she was in rehab with her. So

Holly Constant (17:07.446)
Yeah. Honestly, probably. She might have done like a reality TV show type of situation, which sounds like this is what she's trying to be like the star of her own reality T V show. Which Joan is needed for like absolutely needed for that. That's her service. I feel everybody would watch that. And they are, clearly. Yeah.

Madi (17:22.944)
Yeah. yeah. Housewives of Rehab.

you

Holly Constant (17:29.828)
yeah, and then there's this lady that says this is supposed to be anonymous. and just before you get into your introduction of this lovely guest star, this her name is Victoria Herzog. And I thought that was really funny that that last name is from Werner Herzog, who appeared in the previous episode, like I talked about at the beginning. you know, the one who sold Andy and April the house. So I think that's a really cool homage. I would not have clocked that if I wasn't doing the research.

Madi (17:33.39)
Yes.

Madi (17:44.929)
Yeah.

Madi (17:56.651)
No, and I didn't clock it when I was doing the research for this. But when you said it at the beginning of the episode, you're giving us the recap. I was like, my gosh, that's her last name. And so yeah, very, very cool. I love I love that. And we know that Mike sure does that. So very cool. Yes.

Holly Constant (18:06.702)
Mm.

Holly Constant (18:11.978)
Absolutely. Yeah, I love that.

Madi (18:15.476)
So this attorney who unfortunately is being outed in rehab by Joan Calamazzo is played by Mary Holland, who I asked Holly if I could do this because I just love her so much. And I also extra like we don't usually like say ages, but I looked it up and she's 40 Holly. She looks awesome.

Holly Constant (18:37.73)
Yeah.

Madi (18:37.878)
like so whatever whatever you're doing Mary you yeah you look I would never have guessed you were out of your early 30s so kudos to you she is in ghosts currently so really really great go check her out in that she's done like voice and beavis and butt head in the one that bobs and bob's burgers star trek

But then I know that she's also done some touring with our wonderful Ben Schwartz with Ben Schwartz and friends. So I've seen some clips of her in the doing the improv there as well, which is she's really great in. And then happiest season is where I really got to know her. So if you haven't seen that, that is something that Ivan and I watch every holiday season because it's such a great it's a really great film, very cute.

and, if you haven't seen it, check it out. She plays one of the main characters sisters, and she is just the sister that kind of gets pushed. Like she doesn't seem important to anybody else, but she does everything for the family and she just plays it so well. And she, the way she breaks at the end is so respectable and she just, yeah, Mary, you do an amazing job. I love you in that movie. And that's where I fell in love with her. So, and if you haven't seen that movie, go see it. Aubrey Plaza is in that as well.

Holly Constant (19:40.782)
Mm.

Madi (19:57.326)
So great film.

Holly Constant (19:57.733)
yeah, I haven't seen it. Is that recent? Is that pretty recent or okay, so maybe not.

Madi (20:01.263)
2020. 2020. So, no, yeah, but I think I don't know if it had got a lot of publicity or anything like that. But we found it on Hulu. And, just we were like, this is so funny. And Dan Levy is in it too. Plays Kristen Wiig's gay best friend, not Kristen Wiig, Kristen Stewart. Sorry. So yeah, so it's just a really, really great film.

Holly Constant (20:10.965)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (20:19.32)
Cool.

Holly Constant (20:23.886)
Mm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I feel like it just recently got publicity or something because all of these cast members you're talking about, I feel like I just saw them recently on Instagram like in this last holiday season. So maybe they were just like re like talking about it, you know, for a holiday season. But that's cool. I'll have to add that to my list.

Madi (20:31.0)
Mm.

Madi (20:40.535)
Yeah.

Yeah, I think you'd really like it.

Holly Constant (20:46.348)
Yeah, totally. Love that.

Madi (20:50.562)
Love it.

Holly Constant (20:50.76)
and I did reach out to her agent and then her agent told me to reach out to her manager, so I reached out to her manager as well. and I haven't heard anything back, but I will say she like we just talked about, she is very busy, number one. But number two, she is also this is just BTS that I don't know if anyone cares about, but she's repped b by the same manager that Connor Story has, the the blonde Russian from

Madi (21:12.772)
cool.

Holly Constant (21:13.236)
heated rivalry. So I'm like, my God. She's she's got some amazing company to keep in that roster and that means that she's up there. and yeah, so I mean I think I don't know if she's currently doing ghosts right now because it says that she did nine episodes, but regardless, it's like a current show that's on there right now.

Madi (21:21.227)
Yeah.

Madi (21:31.566)
Mm.

Holly Constant (21:34.166)
Or that's on network. My mom loves it. And I noticed I remember when I was looking her up, she did senior year with Reba Wilson, which was funny too. it's like where Reba Wilson relives that. and then funny side note, like kind of six degrees of separation, you talked about Ben Schwartz. So she also had a show at the Netflix is a joke fest, which happens every year, with Lauren Lapkiss, who also works with Ben Schwartz on the morning show YouTube series. Well, it's on I don't know if it's on like an actual streaming service, but

Madi (21:41.901)
yeah, I saw that too.

Madi (22:02.351)
yeah.

Holly Constant (22:04.3)
We played a couple of episodes of that show because Mel, the red faced man, was also on that show. And so I was like, my gosh, that's so funny. They're all in kind of the improv world wi and probably friends. And then I haven't seen it yet, but I also saw that she was in Night Bitch with Amy Adams with that got nominated for a bunch of stuff. recently. I think that was like two years ago, maybe a year ago, something like this.

Madi (22:11.982)
Yeah.

Madi (22:26.061)
dang, I missed that one.

Holly Constant (22:29.848)
I will say I've heard it's a really good movie, but the name throws me off, Night Bitch. I was like, what is this sounds comedic or like satire, but I don't think it is. I think it's serious question mark. So I will report back. Yeah, yeah. So I'll report back. but yeah, she did a great job with that tiny line. I think that was really funny.

Madi (22:35.717)
Mm, yeah, yeah.

Madi (22:40.438)
I don't, yeah. It looks serious. Yeah, please do.

Madi (22:52.972)
Yeah, for sure.

Holly Constant (22:55.616)
All right. So this is where you can see Harris Whittles. in and I to be honest, I didn't even clock it until I was doing the research and that popped up in in my notes. And I was like, my gosh. So I went back and watched it. And yeah, you could totally miss it. he's just sitting right next to Mary Holland's character and he doesn't say anything, but he's there and he wrote this episode, which is amazing. I love when they do that little cameo. and yeah.

Madi (23:20.577)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (23:21.216)
Again, a reminder that he is one part animal control. And I don't know if we see I think we only see animal control maybe like one other time, maybe in the series for this season. So yeah, it's really fun to see him there. And it would totally make sense that he's in rehab.

Madi (23:35.822)
Probably for the marijuana use, I guess. Yes. Same.

Holly Constant (23:36.56)
And I'm glad that he's getting the help that he needs. Yes, yes. my gosh. All right. So continuing on with Joan's craziness, she like I'm calling it kind of a psychotic break. Like she already has been a little net so, but you're kinda and all of this other stuff is just like, my god. She gave every member of the audience a car that they all had to fight for.

Madi (23:45.048)
Hmm.

Holly Constant (24:01.563)
I have to shout out those background actors slash stunt people. I don't know. They were great, falling all over the car. The one guy punching really slowly, he was just like down, up, down, up, instead of like really fighting. And I thought that was so hilarious. And then there's this one guy that's just like hanging over the fence in the background. And you'll have to go back and look at it. if people haven't like really paid attention to that scene, 'cause it's just so funny and there's so many random details.

Madi (24:05.814)
Yeah, for real.

Madi (24:14.156)
Yeah.

Madi (24:22.189)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (24:30.939)
so that was really good. And I love that she's just like standing to the side with a microphone being like, Okay, how's it going? You know what I mean? It's really funny. So Joan. And then calling her exes while sitting on a washing machine. my god, and that line they chose of if you didn't give it to me, then who did? my gosh. That scene had so many alts actually, and it was in the

Madi (24:39.06)
Yeah. So Joan.

Madi (24:58.891)
Really? Okay.

Holly Constant (25:00.065)
deleted scenes slash cut scenes and I really want to play it for you so I'm just gonna go ahead and do that.

Madi (25:07.34)
Yes.

Holly Constant (25:14.403)
Why does it sound like that? It sounds good on my phone.

Holly Constant (25:29.903)
All right, well I'll have to record it again. When I played it back the first time it was like totally fine.

well, I wonder I record that works out. Okay. I recorded a couple and they all turned out well except for that one. That's weird. Ugh, technology. Whatever. I'll record it again. But you can see the you can hear the full like round of her exes and how many random people there were. And then she also like is very close to like having an orgasm on the washing machine and I know why they cut that because obviously it's crazy, but it's just so funny.

Madi (25:45.646)
but it's weird.

Madi (25:54.995)
my gosh.

Madi (26:01.907)
gosh. Yep.

Holly Constant (26:06.423)
And the phone kinda keeps like sliding down 'cause the washing machine is really shaking. And yeah, it's really funny. So I'll I'll record that again so that people can hear it.

Madi (26:17.24)
Yes, please do. What a queen.

Holly Constant (26:19.711)
I know, so good. Mo Collins, so great. All right. then we have April saying like finishing out her talking head saying that she wishes Joan was her real mom. And I don't know, it kinda like hurt me a little. I was like, No, don't say that about your mom. Like, your real mom is probably really upset about that. But I understand what she means.

Madi (26:22.262)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (26:37.144)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, yeah, it's definitely, I don't know, my brain was going to go one way. So it hurts when you like can put it in perspective of like, like your mom. But like, I get why it's funny. You know?

Holly Constant (26:55.063)
Yeah. Yeah, totally. so back with our hologram tech. This is the hologram iPad moment with Andy and Tom. so Tom's article from last week is what they're reading now, which by the way they say entrepreneur slash bachelor in the headline. And I feel like that's not important that he's a bachelor, but I do feel like that's what Forbes magazine slash realistically in real life, that's what they do, which is annoying 'cause I'm like, do we need to know that? I don't care.

Madi (27:17.612)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (27:24.139)
about that. But anyway, I know it's for the scene especially because we're setting him up for being sad about all these other proposals and that he's still single, he wants to be dating someone. so I guess that makes sense.

Madi (27:24.62)
Yeah.

Madi (27:37.356)
Yeah. Yeah, it's a good it's a good setup for where we're going to go, as well as the proposal that happens in the background.

Holly Constant (27:42.936)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (27:46.573)
Right, right. I love that Andy thinks everything here is free where he's like chicken parm with lasagna on the side and spaghetti to go and then he's just like pounding the alcohol. It's like, you know everything's here free. Er everything is free here.

Madi (27:52.568)
Yeah.

Madi (27:58.095)
Yeah. Yeah, I assume Tom actually probably does give the Parks gang a lot of free stuff because of how much they supported him through all of this. And he's probably making good enough money he can give them a free chicken parm. So I would like to think that's what he's doing.

Holly Constant (28:01.069)
All right.

Holly Constant (28:10.436)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (28:15.031)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. We just have to be careful not to take advantage of it. But Andy doesn't understand economics or business at all. It's like every now and again a free meal is fine, but three free meals when I'm sure Tom is charging like pretty good money and all those cocktails. But no, it's r I mean, Andy has given a lot, I feel.

Madi (28:23.119)
yeah. No, no, no. Correct. Correct.

Madi (28:30.978)
Yeah.

Madi (28:34.816)
Yeah, hey, yeah, and I mean, but you also have a slow cooker at home now, so like you can go home and make your own your own food. We're not drinking eating out frisbees anymore.

Holly Constant (28:41.866)
Yeah

Fair. Fair. Okay, so now we're in the city council chamber again and Ron is making fun of Leslie for the zero dollar bid. He's like, How's that zero dollar bid coming? which I think that's a great line comeback from Leslie. In my experience with butt faces, you are one. I think that's really good.

Madi (29:04.302)
Yeah, I love the delivery. Yeah, for sure.

Holly Constant (29:09.313)
It's so good. And then we've got Yvonne's Jordain back. He plays Councilman Hauser. We did a fantastic interview with him back in the day. He is so wonderful. He's one of my favorite guest stars we've done. So definitely, I'll post that in the show notes if you haven't listened to that yet. He is so nice. And this is again one of those characters. This is his last episode. End of an era. I mean, 19 episodes he was in in total. Nineteen that's

Madi (29:35.149)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (29:35.927)
Truly wild. He's been with us since the beginning, even before Leslie was on City Council. I mean, it's truly end of an era. It's amazing.

Madi (29:41.357)
Yep.

Madi (29:44.717)
I always like picture him when Leslie's writing Andy, like on a piggyback ride. And she stopped, he stops because they run into Councilman Hauser. So I think it's also just a huge testament to, well, I guess maybe not because of Dex Heart, but like he's still on city council this many years later, like very cool.

Holly Constant (29:54.776)
Yes.

Holly Constant (30:01.601)
Yes. I know. Well, he's still the leader, which I think is, to your point, a testament of his character and how even keeled of both sides he is, for sure. Love that.

Madi (30:06.646)
Yeah, he's still the leader. Yeah.

Madi (30:14.144)
Yeah, and most of the time, only competent one there.

Holly Constant (30:18.273)
Yes. A hundred percent. Yes. my gosh. And then for some reason Councilman Milton has dyed his hair black or has a wig, I don't know, has his earphones in in an attempt to stay young, I guess, which is hilarious.

Madi (30:21.439)
Madi (30:27.074)
you

Madi (30:32.534)
It's giving Creed.

Holly Constant (30:35.087)
Creed like the band? I don't know why my Yes, I don't know why my brain went to that. Okay, got it. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. my gosh. You can really see that their brains, the writers' brains, definitely worked on both shows.

Madi (30:37.026)
from the office? No, when he dyes his hair black for ageism. No, you're good. I didn't specify it.

Madi (30:55.276)
Yes. Love it.

Holly Constant (30:56.979)
this is of course played by the late great actor James Green, who sadly passed away in twenty eighteen. We did a whole breakdown on him a couple episod well, a couple of seasons back, I suppose. But yes, always will be remembered. what a great, great character. He's so good.

Madi (31:12.354)
Yeah, agree.

Holly Constant (31:14.251)
And then we've got Dexar there in the background as well, like you said. he didn't have any lines in this one, but I'm so glad he was there to fill it out, to fill out the council, because there have been times when they don't ask all the council members back. Most of the time they do. that's not to say that the, you know, they're not detailed most of the time, because I would say 90% of the time we've got all the council members there, even if they don't have lines, because it definitely fills out that picture. But sometimes it's like you don't see them all the time, so it's not necessary. But they had him

And this is his last episode as well, which is so crazy. and yes, we have interviews with Kevin Simons as well, who plays Dex Heart. He's fantastic, so amazing. I'm so glad we got to talk to both of them. They're both such wonderful people and they had such great memories and great background stories. and I did send both of them emails mostly just to say thank you for being a part of the show for as long as they did, because Kevin in particular, whenever he was on, I messaged him.

to ask if he had any memories specifically and he'll c he used to comment on our, you know, socials and stuff and I was just really grateful. obviously I asked if they had any memories of this episode in particular. I haven't heard back from them yet. and if I don't, that's totally fine because the main reason I wanted to reach out to them was just to say thank you because they really were so such a contribution to both the podcast and the the show. So it's awesome.

Madi (32:39.69)
Absolutely. Yeah, sad to see them go, but they've left such a great legacy in the parks world.

Holly Constant (32:44.063)
Mm-hmm. So good. So Ron goes up to the podium to state his case. And Jam immediately before Ron even finishes says, Yeah, I'm convinced. I'm voting for Grizzle. We're done. Like, so something changed that we didn't see. and I mean we could guess since we saw Tammy, but and something nefarious is going on. But yeah, it's so crazy. And now this is where we see the similarities with Ron and

Madi (32:59.618)
Yep.

Holly Constant (33:12.003)
jam, like they're dressed exactly the same. The hair's the same. He has the line, like the whole stash bros situation. So yeah.

Madi (33:23.02)
Yeah, it's a, it's a bummer. And I don't like that Leslie doesn't get to, to say anything because I don't think that's, yeah, I don't think that's even a fair way to say you've been fair when you've been voting because you didn't hear her side. Frustrating.

Holly Constant (33:27.767)
Івен презентер кейс.

Holly Constant (33:35.767)
I know. I know. of course, Jam. And yeah, I I love Ron. We know we love some Ron Swanson, but when he says, Well, that was easy and has this like callous, rude glare toward her, it just reminds me of all these bad people who get away with bad shit and I was just like, I hate this moment for Ron. I really do.

Madi (33:55.872)
Yeah, I do too.

Holly Constant (33:58.575)
'Cause he's just like and Nick did such a good job with I I don't know if he really meant to do this, but his eyes really say it all where he's just like, I won the end. You know? And I was like

Madi (34:07.744)
Yeah, yeah, like he thinks it's over.

Holly Constant (34:11.073)
Yeah. Ugh. Anyway, so moving on, we are at the bicentennial celebration walk of fame situation. I love this little Joan Calamezzo tile like a Hollywood square. It kind of looks like stained glass with her face on it, like or like, you know, kinda like the murals that I think it was a cutscene actually, or I can't remember. that Leslie made for Galantines and it's like everybody's face made of like recycled porcelain or glass or whatever. It kinda looks like that.

Madi (34:27.501)
Yeah.

Madi (34:37.696)
Yeah, yeah, yeah

Holly Constant (34:40.311)
So yeah, that was really cute. And then we've got Ben saying he can't accommodate all the requests, like Chateau Marmont not being champagne. It's a hotel in LA. So we can't get a bottle of that. That was really funny. I guess. I looked it up though, and that Holly that one is in Hollywood. That hotel is in West Hollywood.

Madi (34:49.322)
Yep. She was just trying to sound fancy.

Madi (35:03.009)
Okay.

Holly Constant (35:03.883)
And I'm sure I've driven by it. I looked at a picture of it and I was like, my god. And it really does look like a castle and it looks so beautiful and it's kind of nestled in the hills and it's about a thousand dollars a night. Insane.

And I don't know what all is included in that, but that is the highest hotel I've ever heard of. So if anyone has stayed there, I'd love to hear from you to see if it's worth it. So super fancy hotel. I do think it's one it's like any other fancy hotel where you can they have a restaurant, and I'm sure you can make a reservation at the restaurant, even if you're not staying there. I've done that before with fancy places like that. so yeah, I'd be interested to know if the food is worth it too. Because the food is expensive as well, of course. But yeah.

Madi (35:25.059)
Damn.

Madi (35:44.718)
Yeah, of course. If you want to use their bed for $1,000, I'm sure their steak is pricey.

Holly Constant (35:52.819)
my god. and then the other request was that Buddy Holly is famously dead. She Joan wanted Buddy Holly to sing, but he's been dead for 60 years. And she's like, What? Complete surprise to her. Somehow she didn't know that. my god. That is actually hilarious.

Madi (36:05.069)
Yes.

I don't know how you don't. So funny though. Yeah. yeah.

Holly Constant (36:13.72)
and then this is where April gets Joan to sign her book, Game of Jones, which I think is a fantastic name. my god, that's a wonderful one.

Madi (36:20.906)
Yes, it's great. And I think this was an added piece that happens a little after this where April reads the entire title of the book.

Holly Constant (36:31.744)
yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so funny.

Madi (36:33.758)
And like all of that is just so great as well. And I love that she's like, did you say Glenn? She's like writing it out to April, but she writes Glenn and April's like, yes, my name is Glenn. She just, cause she loves her so much.

Holly Constant (36:37.571)
my god.

Holly Constant (36:45.263)
Did you say your name was That's pretty. I like that Joan says that's pretty. That was really funny. my gosh. Yeah, it's so good. And just a shout out to the props designer Gay Perello. she did a lot of the books. Like Ben was reading a book it when he was in his depression state and it was like and then I think April was reading a book called Air Force Nun or something like this.

Madi (36:49.9)
Yeah.

Madi (36:54.976)
Agree.

Holly Constant (37:12.796)
and yeah, that's all her. So I think that's really awesome and I really respect it.

Madi (37:19.574)
Same. Yeah, very creative.

Holly Constant (37:21.953)
Yes. And yeah, like you said, the excerpt of the book was not in the original cut. there I wrote down a couple of these where she threw the hot soup at the waitress when it wasn't even her waitress. But I think my point was made. She said her uterus is eight inches flaccid. my god, so many of those.

Holly Constant (38:01.059)
Hello? okay, okay. It froze for a little bit. Okay. what part did you hear or what was the last part that you heard?

Madi (38:02.515)
No? Okay, okay, you're back. Yes.

Madi (38:12.086)
I the soup and then...

Holly Constant (38:15.111)
okay. Okay, yeah. So the excerpts of of the book where she said she like you said, was not in the original cut, but she threw the hot soup at the waitress when it wasn't even her waitress, but she said, I think my point was made which I thought was so funny. but also awful throwing hot soup at someone.

Madi (38:26.84)
Yeah.

Madi (38:31.072)
Yeah, it feels so bad for the waitress.

Holly Constant (38:34.925)
Who wasn't even a her waitress? my god. And then the line of my uterus is eight inches flaccid. What the hell? So many of those random ass, like little tidbits, which those writers, man, they just have such a ball with that. my god.

Madi (38:37.08)
yeah! Gosh.

Madi (38:43.467)
Ugh.

Madi (38:50.134)
Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure they just spend so much time sitting and shooting the ship to get to those lines.

Holly Constant (38:56.727)
Yes. And this is where this next moment is where I do feel like I was like, is Joan okay? Like this is where I'm like, this is when she says, Thank you, Commissioner Gordon, people of Gotham, she thinks we're in Batman's City, in Gotham City. This is where I'm like, does someone need to check on her? Like this is more than just her normal, you know, out there crazy times. This is like, does she have like maybe schizophrenia or multiple personality disorder? Or what's what's going on?

Madi (39:09.216)
Yeah.

Madi (39:15.446)
Yeah.

Madi (39:20.577)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (39:26.315)
Is she taking too many pills? What's w Joan, are you okay? Are you healthy? my god. No. Like someone needs to be watching her.

Madi (39:28.182)
Yeah, it could be the pills. Yeah. No, the answer to that is no. my gosh, I think the last. Yeah, I think the last time we saw her probably healthy was like season one or two. By the time she's dragged back to her house by Tom and Ben, I think we've lost her.

Holly Constant (39:43.53)
my god.

Holly Constant (39:48.375)
Yep, I agree with that for sure. I'm gonna go powder my vagina. Still one of the great Mo Collins lines. my God. And I always think about the bloopers too, because Aziz could not get through that. Like just could not. Neither could Adam Scott. my god. So good. Ugh. And this speech really gets to April. So Joan has a little moment where she's explaining slash giving like a keynote type of situation. And she says that people ask her, how does she do it?

Madi (39:52.682)
Yeah, God, it's so good. I hate it so much, but it's so good.

Madi (40:03.362)
Yeah.

Yeah, so good. gosh.

Holly Constant (40:18.071)
And Joan says she just loves what she does. She loves being on TV. She's known that she wanted to do this since forever and she just wants to keep doing it. And Joan says, if you don't love what you do, why do it at all? And that leads April to ask herself, Do I even like my job? And you can tell during this speech that April's kind of looking down and a little bit like concerned and sad. And I'm like, that's interesting that we're getting that even more growth from April.

Madi (40:44.588)
Yeah, absolutely. And it's funny to me that like, I know she loves Joan so much, but it's for all these ironic reasons. And now this person who is quote unquote, her hero is actually making her think about her life and think about growth. So it's very interesting how that happened.

Holly Constant (40:51.447)
Mm.

Holly Constant (40:57.837)
Yeah, that's so true. Yeah, good point. Yeah, totally. And I don't know, I mean, I I know that I'm taking it too deeply, but I don't necessarily agree with the if you don't love what you do, why do it at all? Like there are reasons to do things that you don't love for things that you do love, if that makes sense. Yeah, like you have to put aside some of that. but I see what she's saying. I know what she's talking about. But it's like

Madi (41:15.98)
Survival. Yeah.

Holly Constant (41:25.251)
that also feels like a little bit of a privilege to get to be able to do what you love to do, 'cause that's not always the case.

Madi (41:29.614)
Yeah, I think it's more important to make sure that there are parts of your life that you really absolutely love. Like, you know, if you have a job that's not your favorite, what are you doing outside of your job that is giving you life and passion and, you know, what makes you excited outside of work?

Holly Constant (41:39.151)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (41:50.221)
Yeah. Yeah, and what does the job that you don't necessarily love give you that like h is helping you get to what you do like? You know what I mean? That's like which I know is putting a positive spin on it. And if you truly hate your job, yeah, maybe it is time to think about quitting 'cause that like what you if you do a job that you hate for forty plus hours a week, it's a soul sucker for sure. I've been there. so yeah, but I just thought that was worth mentioning 'cause I like, it is a privilege to love what you do and be paid for it. You know what I mean?

Madi (41:59.095)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (42:05.656)
Yeah.

Madi (42:18.752)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I think, you know, yeah, I agree. I agree with you.

Holly Constant (42:21.065)
So

But but it does lead, I mean, but this isn't what April's thought is. April's thought is just like, I think she's she doesn't use the word love. She's like, Do I even like my job? Do I even like what I'm doing? I think it's really like this existential moment because she's never thought about it. She's just kind of fell into this internship and was like, I never looked back kind of vibes. And then Leslie was such a strong leader that she was like, I wanna just wanna like, you know, support her and follow her. So yeah, it makes sense that April's asking.

Madi (42:35.618)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (42:51.523)
Do I like this? You know, 'cause she's not really gotten a chance to do what she loves. Where I feel like all these other people have, you know, i in parks. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Madi (42:59.5)
Yeah, her husband even, right? Like has his own Johnny Karate TV show, like, and I think she supported so many people to get to the thing they like to do. Yeah.

Holly Constant (43:06.285)
Yeah, and he's experienced right. Totally. And Andy's even experienced London. Like he got to try stuff and experiment stuff, you know? And now Tom and Donna are doing their thing and what they like to do. So I think April I think it was really smart of the writers to ask April, like, do I want to do this? You know what mean? Yeah.

Madi (43:28.686)
Yeah, yeah

Holly Constant (43:32.007)
okay, so now Tom and Andy are getting drunk and Tom thinks he's the only one who's rich and still feels empty. That was a funny line, 'cause yeah, that's like classic riches don't make you feel happy.

Madi (43:42.767)
Yeah. No, yeah. mean, yeah. But what is it? There's a Daniel Tosh has a stand up from a really long time ago, where he says, like, money can't buy you happiness. Of course it can money buys a jet ski. And have you ever seen an unhappy person on a jet ski? And it

Holly Constant (44:01.423)
Ha ha.

Madi (44:03.724)
Like he delivers it way better than I do, which I always thought it was really funny. But when you sit and think about it, it's like, yeah, like money, money can, can solve some problems in your life, but it's not what's going to drive you to be happy. So.

Holly Constant (44:15.381)
Yeah, I think I think money can buy happiness, but not joy or peace. I think it's a very distinct line because I do believe yeah, I I realize I wrote happy in my notes, but yeah, I do believe money can buy happiness. But I don't think like but happiness can be fleeting, you know what I mean? Where peace and joy are like within your soul, you know what I mean? Yeah.

Madi (44:19.758)
Mmm, yeah, that's good. Yeah.

Madi (44:31.288)
Hmm.

Madi (44:35.884)
Yeah.

Madi (44:39.776)
Yeah, no, I love that. I love that change in words because yeah, because it can also make your stress go away. There's a lot of financial stress and whatnot. I'd be much happier if I was in Italy right now. Money buys me that.

Holly Constant (44:48.653)
A hundred percent.

Yeah. Yeah. It can also buy safety. It can buy convenience. Yeah, totally. but he's not looking for that. He's looking for someone to share his life with and someone to help him feel joyful and, you know, content with himself in as a partner, you know what mean? so yeah. And then Andy suggests like maybe you already met the person that you're supposed to be with and he keeps swiping through family members that Tom's related to on his grizzle page, which I'm guessing is supposed to be like reminiscent of Facebook.

Madi (45:20.822)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (45:23.379)
but I thought that was funny. Like, that's my cousin. That's my dad. What's wrong with you? my god. And I did have to I'm sure you found this too, but I did have to go back, like rewind because w apparently when Andy finds Tom's cousin, the name is Sadie Ansari. And then Ansari is Aziz's last name, which is so this is a reference to Aziz Ansari's actual cousin. And it was and so I was like, my god, I don't know if the picture

Madi (45:24.054)
Yeah.

So funny.

Madi (45:44.107)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (45:52.949)
Is his his cousin I I feel like they would have done that because maybe that's like a fun like nod for her to be on TV or something. But that name is actually Aziz's cousin. And then do you remember when Tom said that he changed his name to sound more white slash like fit in with Indiana? I totally forgot about that part. But apparently his real name is Darwish Sabir Ishmael Ghani, which is in fact the name of one of Aziz Ansari's cousins.

Madi (45:59.916)
Yeah.

Madi (46:09.269)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Holly Constant (46:21.101)
So, like, that's so crazy. my God. Wow. So maybe Sadie Ansari was just like a nod to Aziz's last name, but the actual like Darwish Sabir when they did that back in season one or two is like the actual name of Aziz Ansari's cousin. You know? That's so crazy. So I don't know if that picture, yeah, I don't know if that picture is Darwish, or who that picture is. I couldn't find that part, but if anyone knows, let me know.

Madi (46:21.902)
very cool. I love that they leaned into all that.

Madi (46:42.893)
Yeah.

Madi (46:52.173)
Very cool.

Holly Constant (46:52.611)
Okay. So Lucy messages while they are online looking at people and it's a really sweet message. She's happy for him. She was always a good match for him. I love Lucy for him. It's so cute. I'm so glad that they brought her back.

Madi (47:01.856)
Yeah, absolutely.

Madi (47:06.23)
Yeah, I think I always loved her because she loved the things that Tom loved. And like that's something he missed from other people he was with. But she was also just so centered and, and like a really good balance to his high energy. So yeah, I always loved them.

Holly Constant (47:19.959)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah, I feel like they had a good balance of like goofing around. But like you said, she was like very serious about or like can be honest with him, I feel, when he's being stupid, you know.

Madi (47:32.494)
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And it doesn't get taken the same way like, because because Anne was honest when she thought he was being stupid. But he I think he always took it as like, she's just not cool. But like, Lucy's likes the stuff he likes. She's cool to him. And so it's like, Mm Yeah, yeah.

Holly Constant (47:44.587)
Right, right. Totally.

Yeah. Yeah. And they're on the same level, you know? Whereas I always felt like Anne was too mature or something. Not that Lucy's not mature, but Anne's like too older and like I don't know, they're just like on different paths. You know what I mean?

Madi (47:56.566)
Yeah.

Madi (48:01.571)
Yeah, but I think they also both saw each other at different levels. Like Tom thought he was cooler than Anne, like still understood, I got a catch here, but like he thought he always thought he was cooler and knew more than she did. And Anne was always like, I'm above Tom because I'm smarter and more mature. like, so yeah, they didn't ever sit on the same level in each other's eyes, which is a problem.

Holly Constant (48:05.571)
That's true too.

Holly Constant (48:17.273)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (48:22.071)
Right. And you all, if you are not new here, if you have listened, like know my qualms with the Tom and Ann story. I think it's so dumb. And it went on for way too long. Okay. Two episodes maximum is what we needed. And but they kept that shit going for as long as they wanted. That was crazy. But anyhow. Mm-hmm. Yes.

Madi (48:28.176)
Yeah, yeah,

way too long. Yeah.

Madi (48:42.338)
They juiced that, they juiced that, yeah.

Holly Constant (48:47.135)
And yeah, so a and as a reminder, I mean Lucy broke up with him because he just wasn't over his ex wife. He wasn't over that whole thing w of jealousy and all these things, which is funny too that he had a wife. just a a friendly reminder back to season one, wild. and

Madi (48:55.0)
Yeah.

Madi (49:02.209)
Yeah, reminder.

Holly Constant (49:06.817)
I I I just do wanna also shout out the actor who plays Lucy is Natalie Morales and I've always loved her. She's been in so many wonderful things that I just love watching. And I she's also like I follow her TikTok too. She also is just like a cool person. Like she is very Lucy in that sense. And I also said this, I think, when we first mentioned Lucy a long time ago, but just a friendly reminder that my story for her is when I was living in LA, I was doing extra work.

Madi (49:22.892)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (49:33.895)
And she was a character in Rob Lowe's show very briefly. It it did not last for long. It was Rob Lowe and Fred Savage. I forgot the name of it. shoot, I forgot it, but whatever. called like Grinder, I think. I think it was literally called Grinder. Yeah, okay. And

Madi (49:51.03)
Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. I was like, if I hear it, I'll know it.

Holly Constant (49:55.595)
Yeah, and it was like, what is this? I don't even know what it was about. But anyway, we were shooting and as the extra, I like stood behind her and she had this jacket on and I was I I don't know why it possessed me. 'cause as an extra, you're not really supposed to talk to the actors at all. but I was just like Yeah, totally. And I mean, there are certain people that certain sets where they will say specifically don't speak to them because

Madi (50:11.096)
really?

Holly Constant (50:21.985)
Actors are crazy sometimes. We've talked about that ad nauseum about how lucky we are that we are reviewing Parks and Rick because we are not we do not have that experience, but that doesn't mean it's the norm. anyhow, so I since I kinda like parasocially knew her, I felt. I was like, I like your jacket. And she was so n chill. She was just like, thanks. It's just wardrobe. And I was like, my god, that's nice.

Madi (50:28.525)
Yeah.

Madi (50:46.926)
You

Holly Constant (50:47.375)
It was so stupid because I was like, This is not even a conversation. But I was like, my God, I just spoke to Natalie Morales. my God. Amazing. she just is very kind and just like chill, man. And I don't wanna use the word approachable because I don't want everyone to approach her, but she was just like, You're a human, I'm a human, the end. You know what mean? and so I really appreciate her.

Madi (50:54.08)
Yes. Great.

Madi (50:59.96)
Yeah.

Madi (51:05.432)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Holly Constant (51:10.135)
And she is also a director. I can't remember the movie that she directed, but I watched it and it was really good. I think it's lit it's called Plan B. And it's literally about the abortion pill. and it's like but it's ensconced in comedy. it's really good. so highly recommend that if you get a chance. So well done to Natalie Morales and I'm glad that they brought her back.

Madi (51:24.482)
Nice.

Madi (51:29.569)
Yeah,

Holly Constant (51:31.895)
Okay, so they come up with a drunk plan to go to Chicago to see Lucy. Which is my god. That's really funny though when Andy grabs Tom's face and is like, You know what this means? We have to go to Chicago. And I love that the little switcheroo that they do where you think Tom's gonna say no, but then he's like, That's the greatest idea I've ever heard in my life. Love it. Yeah.

Madi (51:37.186)
Hahaha

Madi (51:45.633)
Yeah.

Madi (51:51.83)
I love that. Yeah, because this this sparks this great adventure that Tom and Andy now to get to go on together, which I love.

Holly Constant (51:58.775)
Yeah. I know. And they don't get a lot of scenes together, so it's nice to have them kinda have a moment. now we are at the vote again and kinda going outside of you know, when Jam said that he wasn't going to vote for Leslie and Leslie approaches Ron and I love this little moment. It's so random, but I just love it. You snook that vote away from me. The snooker has become the snort. Like what the hell?

Madi (52:04.3)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (52:22.668)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (52:26.613)
I love that so much. I don't know why. It's so funny and weird.

Madi (52:28.618)
Yeah, just, yeah, feels like like just this very made up like back language.

Holly Constant (52:36.279)
Yeah. So this is when Ron does his iconic sniff in the air, eyes around, no h the Tammy face, I call it, and he knows Tammy is here. I love that they kept that throughout the series, by the way, like being able to smell her when she comes. my god.

Madi (52:45.826)
Yeah.

Madi (52:50.954)
Yeah. gosh. Well, and I think this is a really good tell for us because Leslie's accusing him of going to Tammy and Jan before the vote. And this is like our validation as an audience that he had no idea like he didn't do that. So

Holly Constant (53:05.515)
Mm. Yeah, yeah. I know. I kind of yeah, I didn't think that he went to them. I just thought that Jam was being like Jam. But yeah, totally. And but Leslie thought right. But you're yeah, Leslie thought that he snuck around because he was a snort.

Madi (53:17.442)
Yeah, Jammy was being what they are.

Madi (53:25.228)
Yeah. Yes.

Holly Constant (53:28.115)
and then Tammy said she would never do anything to help Leslie, which brings me back to Jessica Wicks, honestly, in the last episode where Amy has that or Leslie has that line of like you didn't said everything I thought you were going to do and say, which is exactly how we feel about Tammy right here. Like this is classic. You know what I mean?

Madi (53:36.877)
Yeah.

Madi (53:42.966)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, oddly comforting.

Holly Constant (53:47.383)
Yeah, totally. But I mean, this time is different, I feel, because Tammy had like evidence or Leslie had like evidence that Tammy would actually do something to hurt Ron more. So like you would think that Tammy would do this necessarily, but you also can't really think anything 'cause she's just unpredictable. You know what I mean? So she thought le Leslie thought she was being logical, but all logic is out the window with Tammy. You know what mean?

Madi (54:09.834)
Absolutely.

Holly Constant (54:11.315)
Yeah. And I love I just have to say too, I I love that Tammy, both Tammy and Joan are such great characters in the sense that they're so dimensional. Like I love insane layered characters. Like you're not just insane the end. Like they add so many so much depth, I feel. I mean, not depth in the sense like we know Tammy's core reason of like, I want to destroy Ron, but also like fuck him. Like we that's her like thesis. I get that. But it's also like you

Madi (54:21.134)
Mm.

Madi (54:36.364)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (54:41.395)
wouldn't I feel like she's layered in the sense like she's a librarian. She also you know, will do anything at any cost, like the fighting in the diner and the getting with Jam. Like I just feel like it's like there's more story to it and more dimensions. And even with Joan, same situation, you know what I mean? So I just like that a lot. I think those ladies did a great job.

Madi (54:58.028)
Yeah.

Madi (55:04.48)
I agree. And I think the actresses, yeah, the actresses bring those characters to life. So real.

Holly Constant (55:09.323)
Absolutely. Yes. And I love the hair color for Tammy too. I don't know who decided that, but it's like so random and like trashy in a way, the way she does it. It's really good. But anyway, so Tammy thought she could get Ron back by voting for him. And I love that he I do love this part, even though the part before where Ron was like mean and despicable to Leslie. I do like this part for him where he's like

Madi (55:13.569)
Yeah.

Madi (55:19.604)
Mm-hmm, yes. Yeah. Yeah, agreed.

Holly Constant (55:37.815)
in such a good place slash over her he that he just whistles and walks away and she's like What? You know what I mean? That was good.

Madi (55:44.822)
Yeah, yeah, he doesn't even talk to her about it. doesn't put the line in the sand. He's like, I've done this already. I'm not even going to give it the energy.

Holly Constant (55:51.895)
Yeah, totally. so this next scene, okay, so this was cut too, where which I think is really good for the audience to understand because throughout the whole show he has bandages on his hand. And I think it works either way because to me I was like, the food and stuff is like making him deteriorate, essentially. Like that would like you could really put that or like Tammy's beating him or something. Like you could really make that work in your head, but this

Madi (56:06.254)
Yeah.

Madi (56:12.529)
Right.

Holly Constant (56:21.549)
the in the canon of the show, Leslie goes into Jam's office and he's doing woodwork to be even more like Ron and he keeps cutting himself slash hurting himself. So that is why he has the bandages on his hand the whole time.

Madi (56:33.27)
Yes. so sad. Even he has to do Ron's hobbies. Jam. Yeah, there's... Yeah, agreed. Another character that has a lot of layers. A lot of things going on for Jam.

Holly Constant (56:39.189)
I know, I think it's funny that he's still calling her Nopy. Like he still thinks that they're best friends, which is really funny and sad and pathetic.

Holly Constant (56:52.027)
Mm-hmm. my God. Ugh, dear. Leslie is still trying to win him over, but okay, so this is where I kind of had a moment where I was like, but the vote's over, right? because I don't I don't know. For me personally, I did not think that that was staged chronologically or like explained to the audience in a way. Like I thought the vote was just over. but the actual vote hasn't happened yet. It's just like that was when they were presenting their cases. So I was like, okay, now I get it.

Madi (57:03.905)
Yeah.

Madi (57:15.277)
Mm-hmm

Madi (57:19.881)
Yes.

Holly Constant (57:22.017)
Yeah. Cause so this is where Leslie is trying to still convince him. And the cut part is where Jam thinks Tammy has bugged his office, so he puts on a front saying loudly that he's not gonna go to lunch with her. Leslie like has to sell that she's leaving, like, Okay, I'm leaving through the doors, and then makes all these sound effects like foley noises. my god, I think that's so funny.

Madi (57:24.065)
Yeah.

Madi (57:41.334)
Yeah.

Madi (57:46.211)
That's so good. It's also another another little link back to the office because Jim does this when Michael's on the phone with David Wallace. And, you know, he's like, is Jim there? And he's like, nah. And then Jim has to pretend to knock and walk in. And yeah, that's great. Yeah, all the sound effects and it's great. Also, yeah, yeah.

Holly Constant (57:51.727)
Mm. Yes.

Holly Constant (57:57.542)
Ha ha ha.

Holly Constant (58:03.027)
Yes. my God. And then he points at Jim. Hi David.

Ha ha ha.

Madi (58:13.358)
so good. And here it's just another sign of the toxicity here. Like the fact that you think your girlfriend bugged your office, that's so bad. So bad. Yeah.

Holly Constant (58:22.123)
I know. He's so far deep. Ugh. Okay, well, our next scene is getting out of the taxi in Chicago. Andy and Tom are here. They did it eight hundred and thirty dollars later, 'cause they drove literally from Indiana. Why did this cabbie accept this fare? I don't understand.

Madi (58:37.003)
Yeah.

Madi (58:42.677)
I know you could have been like nah bro $830 too I don't feel like would get you that far anymore like if you're trying to uber or taxi mm-hmm yeah definitely not I tried to I tried to google it like where where could $830 get me if I ubered out of Chicago and it was not helpful I would have had to actually think like plan the trip and everything but I know that like down downtown Chicago too

Holly Constant (58:50.285)
I know, not anymore, that's for certain. Yeah. Totally.

Holly Constant (59:02.135)
Mm.

Madi (59:11.854)
Sorry, downtown Chicago to the airport is like $120. Now, to be fair, the airports always put on those like airport fees, but still you're not getting to Pawnee for $830. I don't think.

Holly Constant (59:21.528)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. my gosh. Yeah, I did look it up. it's about a three and a half, four hour trip. So it's not across the country, but I mean I was thinking it was a little further to be honest with you. I thought it was like a seven hour trip, but three and a half, four hours. but yeah, that still would not be like eight hundred and thirty dollars worth, probably. Crazy. Crazy.

Madi (59:48.524)
Yeah, insane. But Tom's got the funds now, I guess. Yep.

Holly Constant (59:52.663)
Yeah. Yeah. He pays him. also a side note, something super exciting, BTS, is that according to IMDB, this taxi driver is Doug Smith again. Always the driver in parks. He's actually a producer slash crew person. But he drove the limo to prom for Andy in April, where Andy thinks everything is free. He drives the taxi around the airport for Ben and Leslie in the San Francisco episode at the airport. And now this, which I love, and friendly reminder that his character name is Yunir Y W N E R.

Madi (01:00:08.226)
Yep.

Holly Constant (01:00:22.617)
Blake with a P. Not Blake, but Plake. my God. Amazing. And I love his little like frustration moment. I can imagine that, like, I don't know, they were in a drunken, like belligerence moment of like, no, we have to do it. That's why he accepted the fare. Cause and he was like, my God, as long as you'll pay me, I guess. And so yeah, I like his little anger where he's like, no, I'm not going back. Just pay me. And yeah, that's funny. And

Madi (01:00:25.558)
Okay.

So good, so creative.

Madi (01:00:39.672)
Yeah.

Madi (01:00:48.95)
Yeah. That's fair, because they slept the whole ride, right? So part of you thinks like, did he drive them in the middle of the night? Yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:00:56.623)
At least towards the end. Yeah. yeah. my god, insane. Yeah, 'cause it's n it's daytime. But yeah, I don't know. Anyway, my gosh, this is such a funny, memorable Andy moment. of Chicago, the big apple

Madi (01:01:14.766)
Oh, he does it twice. He does. He calls it the wrong thing twice in the episode. So, yeah.

Holly Constant (01:01:17.953)
my god. Yep. Yep. Yep. So good. And I wanna know how they knew where she worked. Like from my recollection they did not keep in touch. So how did he just like know what office she worked at?

Madi (01:01:25.293)
Love it.

Madi (01:01:33.678)
I would assume from like, if she shared like where she was working on her socials, yeah, on Grizzle. That's where I would assume. Unless he did some real creep in Googling.

Holly Constant (01:01:38.529)
On grizzle?

Holly Constant (01:01:43.055)
Okay. Yeah. Maybe he did that. Maybe he did that. I don't know. Or maybe he told she told him like before they stopped talking. Maybe she said, like I'm moving to go to this job and he like kept that in mind for the last like three or four or five whatever years. I don't know.

Madi (01:01:49.152)
Yeah. And I want to know.

Madi (01:01:55.563)
Yeah.

Madi (01:02:00.129)
Yeah, could be. She works downtown, downtown, and the building looks really nice. And that's a really nice part of Chicago. So I'm interested at the end of the episode why she's like cool, Pawnee. So yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:02:12.671)
Yeah, yeah. She just wants to go back. yeah, and he's not wrong when he says you can't just randomly show up to see someone in a different city you haven't talked to for five years. Like, yeah, that is a murder moment. and I love that line, like, of Lucy's, You're not gonna murder me, are you? Like half joking. That's so funny. my god.

Madi (01:02:24.65)
Yeah. Agree. Yeah. It also shows you that they're on the same again, they're on the same thought process wavelength. So very cute. Even though they're talking about murder.

Holly Constant (01:02:38.351)
Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes. my gosh. And I love this too. How did you like, how did Andy come up with this? It's so smart. He makes up that Tom is helping him look for a place to live because he just got a new job. And I was like, my God, Andy, well done, sir. But then he goes right back to Andy and says that the new job is being the head coach of Chicago Bulls.

Madi (01:02:51.905)
Yeah.

Madi (01:02:58.318)
Yeah. No, yeah. Yeah. Well, and then he's the whole rest of the episode. He's like, I'm moving here. Like he's created this false this lie so that Tom doesn't look like a murderer. And then now he's like, I'm fully in it. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:03:06.808)
Yes.

Holly Constant (01:03:10.429)
Mm-hmm.

He believes it. Yes. Yeah. F just immediately loses all intelligence. Yes. And Tom's like, No, he's working go ahead.

Madi (01:03:19.628)
Yeah, I would have loved.

Oh no, I was just going to say I would have loved like a side conversation where he calls April to tell her that he has to move to Chicago.

Holly Constant (01:03:28.387)
yeah. Yeah. And she's like, What? Yes. No, you're not. my god. Amazing. yeah, and I think it's funny too, because when Tom says, No, no, no, he's working at a nonprofit, which is like where that whole thing starts of this false narrative of, wait, what? I am? Am I? Yeah. my god.

Madi (01:03:32.247)
What?

Madi (01:03:45.194)
Yeah. man. Andy.

Holly Constant (01:03:49.639)
And yeah, this is where the again proving the Lucy and Tom moment, like, you know, she calls him out when he's being stupid. The like Lucy suggests they hang out and Tom does this funny Chicago accent moment and Lucy's like, no, immediately. And he's he immediately agrees. And it's like, I'm sorry I did that. my God. I love that.

Madi (01:04:04.64)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So good. I love it.

Holly Constant (01:04:14.807)
And then the next scene is when April comes into Ben's office kind of twitchy and nervous and rants about her job and does she even like this? And yeah, I think like we said before, I think that's just a really great, wonderful layer of adulting, like building on that last episode.

Madi (01:04:31.414)
Yeah, absolutely. I also haven't said this yet, but I love her outfit.

Holly Constant (01:04:35.565)
I know, me too. It's cute. That skirt and the dress or the shirt is really nice too. Yeah. Very professional looking. Mm-hmm. And yeah, she's finally thinking about her purpose in life. And I do think that's important. Like maybe that's what Joan was circling around too when she said, like, if you don't love something, like I do feel like finding a purpose or a passion. Like maybe it's not your full time job, but like what is

Madi (01:04:37.92)
Yeah. Yeah, very, very professional. Yes.

Holly Constant (01:04:59.427)
That thing that keeps you going or that you're like really into. And it doesn't necessarily have to be a job or like a hobby or anything like that. But finding your purpose, maybe it's family, I don't know. Like, I think is interesting that she used that phrase because that is important for all people, I feel, and everybody. It's very relatable and re realistic. Like she's thinking about how she fell into this internship and just kept going.

Madi (01:05:06.701)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:05:21.335)
with it and she doesn't know how she really got here and she didn't really think about it as it was happening 'cause it was good and it was paying and she liked her leaders and she liked her husband that worked with her and all these things. so thinking about the purpose is I think something new for her.

Madi (01:05:28.95)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:05:41.271)
Yeah, and when you're stuck in a job when she says my insides are dying, ugh, that's so real.

Madi (01:05:47.501)
Yeah, it's, yeah, it's hard to get up in the morning. like, you know, that's why even if you're not doing a job and like, you know, like Joan says, I wanted to be on TV when I was 10, like our childhood dream jobs or dream jobs later in life, even if you're not doing that, like, I don't think you should have this dread, like emptiness about going into work either. Kind like you were saying earlier, like, if it gets to that point, like, you know,

Holly Constant (01:06:09.357)
Hundred percent.

Holly Constant (01:06:14.285)
Yeah. Gotta rethink some stuff. I will say, don't leave your job unless you have savings. Not in this economy. I've been there too. Do not leave your job until you have something else. Or unless someone can support you or you have savings or something. I'm sorry to say that because I'm usually like jump off the cliff, take the risk, but I lived through it and it worked out after a couple months, but woof was that depression real and that savings drained.

Madi (01:06:29.826)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:06:41.848)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:06:44.269)
my God. And yeah, I mean, I'm glad like, okay. I mean, I'm glad with everything and the way that it turned out, but I'm just saying, really think about it. Really think about it. And I know it's hard because when you looking for a job is a full time job. So like again, like you said, if you get to that point where it's just dread, like maybe you do just need to like leave and do something. But yeah, it's I would try your best to look for jobs whilst you have a paycheck. Even though I know that's hard. You can do it.

Madi (01:06:45.366)
Yeah.

Madi (01:06:54.125)
Yeah.

Madi (01:06:58.998)
It is, yeah.

Madi (01:07:10.092)
Yes.

Holly Constant (01:07:14.483)
so Ben says, what else would you do? Like what are you passionate about? And this part was cut, I believe, where she says sleeping, barking at the mailman, drinking from the toilet. That's totally so funny. Like being a dog. That's what she likes to do. That's what she's passionate about. my god. And this part

Madi (01:07:25.507)
Yeah.

Yeah. So funny. Which is a slight nod to like when she did find her passion in like the animal shelter stuff.

Holly Constant (01:07:37.167)
Totally. That's true. Yeah. I would have thought that as well. yeah, I think this is this part definitely was cut when Ben says that and what did you wanna be? It it goes immediately to the what did you wanna be when you were ten. Like Joan said in her speech that she wanted to be on TV, like when she was young. but the vocational test that

She takes and he takes for fun to see if he could be an astronaut, which by the way is hilarious. that part was cut from the original version. And when she he's like staring over her head at like and she's like, Do you think that I'm gonna be an astronaut? Or like, Are you checking to see that I'm not getting astronaut or whatever? I think I actually wanna do this. I've never done a vocational test like this. Have you ever done one?

Madi (01:08:03.256)
Yep.

Madi (01:08:06.637)
Yes.

Madi (01:08:16.696)
So funny.

Madi (01:08:21.892)
a really long time ago, really long, like I probably in high school as like a, a test of where I should be applying to schools and stuff. But it's, yeah, it's been a long time. And I don't know. I don't think you ever get a response. That's no answer. I think you get suggestions of like, Hey, nothing specifically fits, but you're really good at these skills and these jobs require these skills kind of thing. So it's, I know they're doing it for the comedic value of like April doesn't have a place.

Holly Constant (01:08:29.623)
Mm.

Holly Constant (01:08:44.6)
Yeah, yeah.

Holly Constant (01:08:48.892)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Madi (01:08:51.746)
But yeah, just so people aren't scared off, I don't think you ever get a, there's no job right for you answer.

Holly Constant (01:08:57.705)
Right, exactly. Unless there's some glitch in the system. my God. which was a whole other thing. This is so dumb. But I had a moment of I always am trying to make connections to Severance with Adam Scott and I'm like, my God. This is like the part where April takes the vocational test and she gets that she should go work for Lumen, which is the company in Severance, and then that's how she that's the next step for her. And it's like it's so funny to me. I can't wait for that season to come out. my god.

Madi (01:09:09.186)
Yeah.

Madi (01:09:25.602)
love the backstory.

Holly Constant (01:09:27.799)
Anyways, yes. but yeah. So I will let you guys know what I get if I take a vocational test. I hope it's not fr I hope it's I hope it is free and not costing anything. Cause I are so I've taken like personality tests and stuff, but not like specifically job tests. So anyway, doesn't matter. So also side note, Ben would not be a good astronaut. I'm so sorry. I think he would freak the fuck out and he would like

Madi (01:09:41.548)
Yeah.

Madi (01:09:47.222)
Yeah, that's cool.

Madi (01:09:54.103)
yeah.

Holly Constant (01:09:55.745)
really just have anxiety going up into space. But I guess you can be an astronaut on land. Like you can be, you know, the people behind the computer doing all of the calculations and stuff and science and stuff. He would do that.

Madi (01:10:05.164)
Yeah.

Madi (01:10:10.027)
Yeah, he'd be good at that stuff. But yeah, being up in space, I don't think he would do well with.

Holly Constant (01:10:14.509)
Yeah, like you can't even handle being in the morgue, sir. I know it's a different kind of fear, but still. You're scared of death. And astronauts have that very real risk of death.

Madi (01:10:17.91)
Yeah, yeah, But but still.

Absolutely. He just wants to do it cause Star Wars.

Holly Constant (01:10:28.823)
Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. And he it's just like a fun job for him. So I get it. Okay, Ben. It's fine. We love you. Okay. So now we are at Murphy's steakhouse with Leslie and Jam. Again, building on being Ron, eating all of the steak. even though he has IBS. my god. I hate that I know that, says Leslie. Yikes. my god.

Madi (01:10:33.122)
Yeah.

Yes.

Madi (01:10:47.566)
Yeah, this is so heartbreaking it just gets worse every time we see him

Holly Constant (01:10:56.119)
Yes, it just gets worse. A bit of a breakdown on the location here before we get into all of Jam's ailments. this episode features the actual real world Murphy Steakhouse, which was was, it's not there anymore, was a beloved decades-old institution located in actual Indianapolis, Indiana. And it operated out of a former Frisch's big boy restaurant. I'm so sorry, I've never heard of that, but that is what it is. So if you know what that is, please keep us posted.

Madi (01:11:15.512)
wow.

Holly Constant (01:11:23.535)
that opened in nineteen fifty-eight and then Jim Murphy of Murphy's Steakhouse bought the building in nineteen seventy-seven and it operated until twenty fourteen when construction in the area compelled the owners to merge with Pat Flynn's restaurant up the road. And then sadly, Jim Murphy passed away December first at the age of ninety-one.

What a legacy for Murphy Steakhouse. also there's I'm gonna post this article in there, but i in the show notes. But there I found this article that lists out it must be a fan, I think. that lists out a lot of the locations that were in actual Indiana.

Madi (01:11:46.86)
Yeah, wow.

Holly Constant (01:12:03.235)
that the show was paying homage to Indiana. So I think that's really cool. One of them is actually Ron's Building, very good building company. It's the exterior of the Kurt Vonnegut Museum library in Indianapolis, which is so fun. So if you're in Indi Indianapolis, check out this article because I think it would be really fun to s go see those places. And again, they all are the exteriors. It was not actually shot inside of those buildings because they shot in LA. but the exterior shots were all a lot of them, a lot of these buildings were in Indianapolis or Indiana.

Madi (01:12:06.889)
Madi (01:12:16.974)
Aww.

Madi (01:12:26.402)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:12:33.23)
at large. So yeah, I think that's really cool that they used the Murphy Steakhouse and the a couple of other ones. But for this episode in particular, that was really cool to learn that that ep that outside of that building was actually in Indiana.

Madi (01:12:48.824)
Yeah, I love that. like, why not? If you're going to go out and shoot in Chicago, why not, you know, just flit over to Indianapolis and get some exterior shots?

Holly Constant (01:12:56.843)
Yeah, totally. I know. I would love to know how that works. Like, is it stock images that they're using? Or did someone actually go out there? I don't know. Anyhow, so back at the steakhouse, it's disgusting because we're talking about all these things. She Tammy has Jam's stool analyzed to make sure that he is eating steak and drinking whiskey. my god, Jam, this is this is bad. It's gone so far. And Leslie is like, This is

Madi (01:13:02.446)
Yeah, great question.

Holly Constant (01:13:24.095)
Not that healthy of a relationship, and she's trying to make you be someone else. And I also do love that she knows all these things about him, even though it shows their per like their very specific relationship dynamic. They're not really friends, but they're not not friends because they're co-workers. But even before they were co-workers, they had like they had to work together and get things from each other. So it's very interesting how she lists off his personality traits, like you love Porsche.

Madi (01:13:36.856)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:13:41.739)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:13:51.597)
Spiked Ice T, Hooter's Platinum card. my God. Great character description. And for people that aren't familiar with the writers' rooms and stuff, they have what they call a show Bible, which is where if you're kind of stuck on a character, they go back to the show Bible and they like have a thesis for like each character. And I was like, my God, that had to have been in the show Bible, or maybe they added it because that is such a wonderful description of who Jam is.

Madi (01:13:57.302)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:14:15.85)
Yeah, absolutely. That it kind of helps us re-visualize who he was while we're sitting here staring at him being like, my gosh, what has happened?

Holly Constant (01:14:25.485)
Yeah, totally. Cause you can see Jim was always like kind of pathetic, losery vibes, but he thought he was confident and he had like, you know, his douchey self going on. but this like is a different level and it's very upsetting and disturbing.

Madi (01:14:43.298)
Yeah, very disturbing.

Holly Constant (01:14:47.585)
Especially when he has his little breakdown where he does get hi it gets the better of him when he's talking about he's depressed, sick, nothing brings him joy and he's smiling while he's saying this. so that's kind of a bummer. But then he like starts crying and he says, Help me, nope. Like, my god, she has broken you. You are broken.

Madi (01:15:05.806)
Yeah. Yeah, he needs help. Mm hmm. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if you're great, but yeah, it is nice that he's asking for help. Yeah, that just that it's nice that he's asking for help. He kind of is realizing that, you know, he's not in a healthy spot.

Holly Constant (01:15:09.025)
And I love that moment of like, I used to be great, everybody thought so and she's like, Well

Holly Constant (01:15:19.981)
Yeah. Yeah. Were you gonna say something?

Holly Constant (01:15:30.059)
Yeah. Yeah, 'cause yeah, and he's like forced to say that as well, 'cause he's like having this mental break and his hair is coming out as he's like maniacally laughing. Then he has cuts on his hands, and then he's talking about having babies, and I'm like, my god, they're gonna make more of you Which I think that was cut too. I don't think the baby part was in there, which thank God. my god. No, no. my god.

Madi (01:15:48.093)
gosh. Yes.

Yeah.

jam.

Holly Constant (01:15:59.545)
So now back with the vocational test. this is what you were saying that there was no matches. April stumped the computer, which is very heartbreaking. And then this is where we get to the what did you want to be when you were 10? And finally we get to the morgue slash mortuary, because that's what she wanted to be when she was 10. and I feel like I feel like Apr that totally tracks. It's a very good character moment for her. I feel like Aubrey Plaza needs to be in some sort of rendition of Wednesday or the Addams Family. She doesn't need to be Wednesday.

Madi (01:16:17.486)
that tracks.

Madi (01:16:28.832)
yeah.

Holly Constant (01:16:28.911)
I mean she could be, she would kill it. But like I feel like it'd be fun if she was like a cousin or like some like crazy, like magical lady who knows Wednesday or something. I mean totally. I mean she sort of like has that moment in Katherine Hahn's show. my god, the Disney show where it builds on the superhero movie. I forgot the name of it. Yeah, and Aubrey does a great job.

Madi (01:16:31.479)
She would.

Madi (01:16:38.57)
Yeah, she fits that so well.

Madi (01:16:51.07)
yeah, the witch show.

Holly Constant (01:16:56.681)
being a witch and it's so so good. but I feel like it'll be fun to see her on Wednesday too.

Madi (01:17:03.584)
Yes, absolutely.

Holly Constant (01:17:05.587)
And yes. And this is where Ben is so uncomfortable. my gosh. He is just not having a good time. and then we get to meet this morgue worker. my god, he's fantastic. People are dying to get in. He's so happy.

Madi (01:17:22.016)
I know. The puns. can't. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:17:25.931)
The puns are so good. my gosh, we got amazing voice memos from this actor, by the way. And before I play that, my gosh, I'm so excited because I'm so glad that we got it in time. but before we get to that, his name is Jeff Harlan, and the character name is Dan Candle. I love that character name. I actually think that's one of my favorite names. I know it's not as like crazy as the other ones, but I love Dan Candle. What a fun one, I feel.

Madi (01:17:32.302)
Great.

Madi (01:17:47.191)
Yeah.

Madi (01:17:51.672)
Dan Candle. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:17:54.787)
But yeah, he's been in a bunch of stuff. he was in 911, Roseanne, both the original and the reboot. He was also in Wet Hot American Summer ten years later, which is a fun six degrees of separation because Amy Polar was in that. Rendition, Castle, my gosh, a bunch of things. So I haven't actually listened to the full voice memos. So I'm glad to get get a chance to see what he has to say. so this first one.

Madi (01:18:06.582)
Yep.

Holly Constant (01:18:21.507)
was just asking how he got his job on parks, what I ask every guest. and I really appreciate sending them in so quickly. So here we go.

Holly Constant (01:19:43.919)
Yay, that's so fun and so cute. I did not know that about Dorian Frankel. That's cool.

Madi (01:19:46.146)
That's awesome. Yeah, very, cool backstory there for us.

Holly Constant (01:19:52.355)
Yeah, totally. And as you can tell, he does voiceover work. He has that timber to his voice for sure. so and I think it's really interesting too because it was definitely like y he's using I feel I don't know, Jeff you'll have to explain because I feel like in these voice memos it's like a little bit more of the lower register you're using. And in the show it's like you're really excited. So you're using that high register. And I love to hear both. I love it. It's awesome. Amazing.

Madi (01:19:57.774)
huh. For sure.

Madi (01:20:13.91)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:20:18.465)
And yeah, I like the idea that he thought he was being too much, but that totally worked for the show. I don't think it was too much at all. I think it was perfect because that contradiction between death and happiness is like amazing. Or happiness while you're surrounded by death. I love that.

Madi (01:20:28.878)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:22:50.799)
That's so cool. What fun BTS to know that it was really hot in a place that's supposed to be refrigerated.

Madi (01:22:55.52)
Yeah. Yeah, they made it. They made it look like they were cold in there, so they did a good job.

Holly Constant (01:23:02.421)
Yeah, and I love that all the background stuff in the scene itself, like you can see the chemicals and these big like bleach looking plastic holder things. yeah, they did a really good job setting that up. And yeah, I think it's really interesting to hear that, which actors slash guest stars they want the improv from. And not it's not that they want them from the actor. It's the s if the scene calls for it essentially. but I think everything that they had scripted was perfect and yeah.

I think all of them a I mean, Jeff was fantastic as the mortuary mortician guy. so I don't know that it needed any improv anyway. It was perfect as it was. And I love hearing also how all these guest stars, for the most part, it was such a well oiled machine by this point that they really just got in and got out, did their thing, had so much fun and then left. so I really love hearing that that's like consistent throughout the last couple seasons here. That's cool.

Madi (01:23:37.974)
Yeah.

Madi (01:23:55.094)
Yeah, definitely.

Holly Constant (01:23:57.685)
Okay, here is the last one. also so excit I had a note I was writing as he was talking that yay Dean Holland, I'm glad to know that he was really nice and sweet. That's so always great to hear. Okay, last one from Jeff.

Madi (01:24:06.858)
Yeah. yeah.

Holly Constant (01:24:17.391)
I him that 'cause I was interested to know as like people are definitely I don't know, have all t types of feelings about death. So I was truly just curious. I know that's a kind of a bit of a weird question to ask, but it's in the realm. So I was like, I would I'm curious to know.

Madi (01:24:21.249)
Yeah.

Madi (01:24:26.285)
Yeah.

Madi (01:24:33.003)
Yeah, why not.

Holly Constant (01:27:29.161)
my gosh, that is amazing. Yeah, and I see what he's saying. And that's an in such a fascinating way to look at it. Like it is what I what I got from what he was saying was it wa it's a spiritual like exercise. You're

Madi (01:27:30.946)
Wow, fascinating. Wow.

Madi (01:27:46.67)
Mm.

Holly Constant (01:27:48.899)
body and soul, your body's being drained so that your soul can move on to the next phase. And whether or not you believe that or whatever, it does feel very existential spiritual. so to have that idea instead of I I think for me, I probably lean more towards Ben personally. I don't I'm not as like freaked out as he was like physically, I feel, but seeing bodies like at the funerals that I've been at, I don't like it. It's not something that interests me.

Madi (01:28:06.232)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:28:18.389)
at all. but that is a really interesting way to look at it as like a s I mean, I do look at it as spiritual regardless, but seeing that like freaks me out. so yeah, that's really fascinating. And how crazy that you could use your story and experience of flower delivery to inform this character and to know a morgue slash mortician to use or base your character off of. How fascinating. It sounds like Dan Candle was meant for Jeff.

Madi (01:28:47.448)
Yeah, right? Yeah, yeah, the right opportunities. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. I'm a...

Holly Constant (01:28:48.929)
Anyone else would have been a mistake.

Holly Constant (01:28:53.635)
That is so wild.

Madi (01:28:56.822)
Yeah, I'm more in line with you where I'm like, no thanks, I'm good. If I had walked into that room and seen that I quite possibly could have thrown up. but I also very much understand where he comes from that he, like, he was like, wanted to apologize, right? Like, cause it is very personal and, and whatnot. So I get, I get, definitely get that side of it. Yeah, absolutely. So.

Holly Constant (01:29:12.792)
Yeah.

Yeah, and you want to be respectful. Yeah. Yeah. I do think Death deserves that respect and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's so crazy. my god. Yeah. Wow. Wow. And also like that's not Jeff's fault. Like somebody should have been monitoring that room to make sure no one went in there. Okay. Hello? Hello? my god.

Madi (01:29:24.846)
Yes.

Madi (01:29:33.344)
Right. For real. Yeah. That should be locked.

Holly Constant (01:29:41.453)
Well, thank you so much, Jeff, for that amazing walk down memory lane. That was such an interesting perspective to get. So I really appreciate it so much. my gosh. Amazing.

Madi (01:29:48.022)
Yeah.

Madi (01:29:52.526)
Absolutely agree. Agree.

Holly Constant (01:29:55.353)
I will say yes, I will say that Jeff's character Dan says about the cadaver shoot, like I wanna show you the cadaver chute. I did look it up and that is not real. That is a myth created by Hollywood. And I was because in my head it was it's ki it's so funny that we're talking about this, what he said, because in my head to me that seems like really not only like ethically insane, but also like t it's not respectful to shoot a dead body down

Somewhere, but also like how does that preserve the body if it's just being like, yeah, like what could and especially if it's in like rigor mortis already? Like, couldn't something break or like I don't know, it just does not seem medically correct or you know what I mean? so I was like, this can't be right. And so I looked it up and it do I mean, look, if you guys know about a cadaver shoe that I do not know about, tell me. But according to the internet, it's because of

Madi (01:30:36.002)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:30:48.891)
movies and TV shows like this that say and mostly it's in hospitals. It was like hospitals that would from the higher floor in these movies would like put the body down to the morgue that's always usually in the bottom of the of the building, in the basement usually. So anyways, but yeah, I would hope that that's not real. I mean, online it says it's not, but I hope that somewhere that that's not happening. You know what I'm saying?

Madi (01:31:11.052)
Yes.

Madi (01:31:15.661)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:31:17.395)
Okay, so and also like I don't know you just like so much engineering has to go into that. I don't understand that. It and like yeah. What if the door's not locked? Somebody forgot to and then there's just a bunch of dead bodies piling up. my god, that is so dystopian and like horror movie science fiction vibes. Not real. I hope that's not real. I don't know. Anyways, moving on. Okay, so back in Chicago.

Madi (01:31:18.16)
yeah.

Madi (01:31:33.934)
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Holly Constant (01:31:43.976)
we are near Wrigley Stadium. We walk along the lake. Yes, I love Chicago so much. I'm very glad that you got a chance to go recently.

Madi (01:31:44.756)
Yes?

Madi (01:31:51.623)
Yes, this is my favorite place in the entire world, like one of my favorite places in the entire world. Because you know how much I love a city and getting to walk around, but you and I also share this love of water. And so to me, the fact that I can be walking in the midst of buildings and there's a river that goes through them, I'm like, my gosh, this is pure happiness and peace. But there is a moment here that I'm very, very excited to talk about. And I've been waiting since our very first episode to get to this episode to be able to talk about it.

Holly Constant (01:32:11.459)
Mm.

Holly Constant (01:32:20.109)
Ha ha ha.

Madi (01:32:21.76)
which is Parks and Rec has a Simpson moment. And for those of you that don't know, the Simpsons have done a lot of predicting, I think on accident, probably educational to a degree, but a predicting of what happens in our world. And Parks and Rec does this here. Lucy makes a comment that the energy in this in Chicago and the mood has been much more positive since the Cubs have won the World Series, which happened.

in 2016. And so this came out or was written 2014, right, and comes out 2017 and they actually won the World Series in 2016. And there are lot of reasons, hold on, I brought this to be prepared to talk about all of this. Okay, so I have to do this. So I always thought this was insane and there's several reasons and I also looked up why Mike Schur doesn't think it's insane that they predict this. So.

Holly Constant (01:32:50.261)
Mm. Yes.

Holly Constant (01:33:05.039)
Amazing.

Holly Constant (01:33:17.455)
Okay.

Madi (01:33:19.374)
It's very, very insane because at the point when the Cubs won the World Series in 2016, they had not won a World Series for 108 years. Huge drought and winds and it all stemmed from a curse. So, well, not all of it, but a lot of Cub fans, we all blamed the curse because of, because we weren't winning. And so, um, if you don't know this, the

Holly Constant (01:33:27.597)
Wow.

Yeah, totally.

Holly Constant (01:33:46.063)
Wait, that's how that's how what Fenway thinks too, right? Red Sox have this curse too. that's so funny. Okay, sorry, go ahead.

Madi (01:33:49.011)
Exactly. I was just going to say that. Yes. Yes. So Boston. Yeah. No, which this even ties even more in. I was going to mention it because Holly and I lived in Boston very shortly after they broke their curse. But the Boston Red Sox believed that they were cursed as well. And they were. And I don't 100 percent remember. It's the curse of the Bambino is what it's called. And and I I would have to look up again exactly 100 percent what that was. But Theo Epstein.

Holly Constant (01:34:02.704)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:34:11.017)
Right. Right.

Holly Constant (01:34:17.143)
Or we have to just watch Fever Pitch again.

Madi (01:34:20.171)
Yes, yes, I love fever pitch so good no do it

Holly Constant (01:34:21.071)
It's about okay, sorry. I'm so sorry. But in Fever Pitch that's what it's it's about. So the owner of the socks sells the socks or something to produce this Broadway musical and the Broadway musical was a huge failure and they were like that's the whole curse that like

Because he did this awful thing by selling the socks or like whatever, like to produce this god awful musical. No and I remember that one guest star my god, you guys I love Fever Pitch so much, it's one of my favies. But that I remember that one guest star, she was like nope and her boss and accent like nobody would ever ever see that piece of crap

Madi (01:34:46.765)
Yeah.

Madi (01:34:57.93)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:34:59.465)
Because because Drew Barrymore's character does not understand like that she should not say that out loud. She like went to the gift shop and bought all these books to understand the socks so that she can be on the level with Jimmy Fallon's friends. And anyway, and like she says, What's this? What's the curse of Bambino? And everybody's like, shut the fuck up. Anyway, go ahead. Yeah, exactly.

Madi (01:35:03.276)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:35:11.885)
Yeah.

Madi (01:35:18.092)
Yeah, we don't talk about this. Yes. Anyway, so that curse was a was a big, a big problem. And Theo Epstein was an executive that was brought into the Red Sox. And he was he was an president or I don't remember exactly what his title was with the Red Sox, but he yeah, he was a big leader and he broke the curse under the Red Sox. And so he then went to the Chicago Cubs.

Holly Constant (01:35:36.719)
Some later, yeah.

Holly Constant (01:35:47.735)
Mm.

Madi (01:35:48.303)
And he was in charge when they broke the curse. So he has this whole vibe now too, that he breaks, he's breaking these major league baseball curses. Exactly. That he is. So, so I will tell you about the, this is why the curse happened for Wrigley.

Holly Constant (01:35:56.441)
So he's this patron saint of baseball.

Holly Constant (01:36:01.656)
Wow.

Madi (01:36:12.814)
So in 1945, a huge Cub fan and he was a local Greek man and he had a restaurant called the Billy Goat Tavern. It still exists. I don't know if it's his but or if it was named after this curse and is now the Billy Goat Tavern. He had an actual goat. And so he brought his goat with him to game four of the World Series in 1945. So that's.

Holly Constant (01:36:13.185)
Okay.

Holly Constant (01:36:28.696)
Mm.

Holly Constant (01:36:37.828)
Yeah.

Madi (01:36:42.956)
That's the start of it. And he was turned away. And because they were like, you can't bring pets into Wrigley. And they said, like, you can't bring him in here. And I guess the owner from the research I did, the owner of Wrigley at the time said, you can come in, but your goat can't. Like, you can take him home or whatever you got to do. Like, you can come in. But he was so mad. His goat was really important to him, I guess. And he basically said, hold on, there are very famous words that he said.

Holly Constant (01:36:49.519)
Okay.

Madi (01:37:15.372)
The Cubs will never win no more.

Holly Constant (01:37:17.709)
Mmm, okay.

Madi (01:37:19.822)
And so the curse of the Billy Goat was born. And so we hadn't won a World Series since 1908. So almost 40 years after that happened, didn't go to a World Series. Like we hadn't gone to a World Series in one, but we had gone to a World Series between 1908 and 1945. And then we were cursed. And so was 108 years by the time we got to 2016.

So that's one of the reasons that it's such a huge deal that we ended up winning the world series. But additionally, like the Cubs, we, we were having a good run. were getting good prospects and all that kind of stuff, but we'd been good in the past. We had had good players in the past. We had Sammy Sosa, we had Derek Lee. We had, we had good, good people, Carrie Wood on our team who could have taken us and we didn't go because we felt like we were cursed. And so very, very.

Like I know that that doesn't stem for everybody and it doesn't, but that's like just kind of the lore. So what, what Michael Schur, what Mike Schur said, I'm going to read this cause he was asked about it, is, sorry, I'm trying to find the exact quote. As soon as we decided to throw the last season of Parks and Rec into the future, into 2017, we sort of started calculating what the world might be like.

I was the only person on the staff who cared about baseball enough to track the Cubs minor league team. It's not like I was the only person that thought the Cubs were going to be good. True, a lot of us thought we were going to be good, but every baseball writer in America knew the Cubs were going to be good. I can't emphasize enough how little credit I feel like I should take for that prediction. It's a little like if we had predicted in the show that Hillary Clinton was the president in 2017. There would probably be people asking about that now.

saying Hillary Clinton was running for president in 2014 or 2013, that would have also been pretty easy to call to make based on information that we had at the time. We're not wizards. So I went and I looked at who were in the minors to be sure that I was correct of who was in the minors at the time. And he's right. We had Javier Baez who ended up being an absolute huge player in us going to the World Series. We had Chris Bryant, also huge. He went on to the Rockies later on. Kyle Hendricks was our pitcher.

Holly Constant (01:39:10.575)
Mm.

Madi (01:39:38.479)
that dominated that entire season. So there are these people who definitely played a huge role, but I still think that they should take some credit because we had good players, we had good players between 1945 and 2016, but we still never made it. And so the fact that we made it and we won the World Series in 2016 and they predicted it three years ahead of time, like is so cool.

Holly Constant (01:39:44.035)
Mmm. Yeah.

Madi (01:40:04.301)
I will remember the night we won the World Series with everything in my being for the rest of my life. And the fact that this episode came out and I was like, a girl can dream. And then it happened is like amazing. So I had to do my little spiel because my heart is so excited and I'm a huge fan in case people did not know. I'll take my hat off now.

Holly Constant (01:40:16.633)
Truly insane.

Holly Constant (01:40:22.707)
Yeah lovely. Well done. Love that. my gosh. Love the props involved, the costumes involved. Love it. Okay. Okay, wait. So what d what exactly does minors mean? I thought minors was like minor league baseball, but you're talking about players? So players were

Madi (01:40:29.409)
Hahaha

Madi (01:40:39.606)
Yeah, so players will play in the minors. And then you'll get pulled up. So if you get drafted right out of high school or right out of college, a lot of times it's pretty rare that you go to the major leagues right away. Usually you'll play in a triple A team, double A team, and then you'll be called up when they feel like you're playing well enough or when they need to fill a spot.

Holly Constant (01:40:42.275)
Okay.

Holly Constant (01:40:45.879)
Okay.

Holly Constant (01:40:53.028)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:40:59.681)
Okay. But what do you mean by like Cubs minors? Because does so the cu or is it okay 'cause like I guess when I think of minors I don't think of like the team the the major league has their minor. It's just like the city has their minor. But are they all associated with the s like the major team? okay, I get it.

Madi (01:41:19.008)
Yes, yes. somebody who would be drafted by the Cubs out of high school college would be sent to the Cubs minor league team. And so like we have the Iowa Cubs. Iowa Cubs is one of them. Yeah. So they play in Iowa, but they don't play in Chicago. Yeah. Yeah. So they play all over because we also like some people like Tennessee doesn't have a baseball team.

Holly Constant (01:41:28.853)
I see, got it. What are they called? Are they literally called Cubs Minor?

Iowa Cubs, okay. But they play in Chicago. Ohio. okay. Iowa. Okay. Okay, my god.

Madi (01:41:47.16)
but there are teams that play them in the minors in Tennessee. so Peoria, Illinois, where I used to live, we have the Peoria Chiefs. And that's switched ownership several times while I lived there. Sometimes they were the Cardinals minor league team and sometimes they were the Cubs minor league team. I actually met Javier Baez and my brother has assigned a ball from him, one of the guys I mentioned who was in the minors, from 2012. And he was called up very shortly.

2013 maybe, very shortly after because we got to see him play in the miners before he was called to Chicago. So.

Holly Constant (01:42:22.559)
Okay, gotcha. So yeah, they should take credit because it's not guaranteed that they're gonna go up to the major leagues. Like they are really good, of course, so like probably, but it's not guaranteed. Also, that's what happened with Fever Pitch too. You know that.

Madi (01:42:28.843)
Yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:42:37.035)
Like they were they were writing it so that they could win the World Series. But that if you've ever seen the movie, at the end when they're like cheering on the actual like baseball field, they won. Like they were that was an actual the actual World Series that they won. And they did not predict that. That just happened while they were filming, which is so crazy. And I mean Parkson Rack is really good at that. I don't know if they like I think about I know this is so less than sh the Cubs, but we've been talking about it recently with the Power Rangers coming back. Like

Madi (01:42:37.792)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:42:47.661)
Yeah.

Madi (01:42:52.798)
Yeah, very cool.

Madi (01:43:04.62)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:43:05.123)
That they s they predicted that too. And I know that was like so off the cuff, whatever, but like the reboot came back in twenty seventeen and the actual like filming writing of that was twenty fourteen. Crazy.

Madi (01:43:07.884)
Yeah.

Madi (01:43:17.718)
Yeah. Love it.

Holly Constant (01:43:19.123)
Yeah, so the okay, so so twenty fifteen is when this came out. Twenty fourteen is when it was written slash shot. And then, so really when they won it in twenty sixteen, it was a year in advance, or maybe two years, I guess, if you wanna count the writing. but yeah, my gosh, that's so wild. That is so crazy. my gosh. Amazing. Yeah, and I'm sure that there's more information about the curse of the Bambi

Madi (01:43:26.478)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:43:34.574)
Yep.

Madi (01:43:41.634)
Yeah, love it.

Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:43:48.006)
Bambino as well that I did not say. But when you said that like some people don't think it stems from that, whatever, that's I feel like that's the same with any sports team and the socks too. Where it's like, but yeah, it it they thought that because they did one thing, it led to the next thing and that's why they're cursed. And like, who cares if you don't believe it or whatever? That's like

Madi (01:43:57.388)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:44:08.015)
the lore. So yeah. That's so wild. Okay, cool. What a fun information. And so yes, they are wizards. They are wizards. Don't you lie to me, Mike Sure. I know that they're a wizard. They are wizards, okay.

Madi (01:44:11.756)
Yeah.

Madi (01:44:16.652)
Yeah, give yourself some credit. It's like put your humility down and just be proud of yourself that you did that.

Holly Constant (01:44:24.657)
my god, so funny. my god. Maybe it's just like the true manifestation.

Madi (01:44:29.718)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:44:31.205)
So crazy. my god, amazing. Well love that. The only moment that I found was that I did I did have to look up, and I know this sounds silly now after all of that, but I had to look up if the Wrigley gum was actually in fact associated with Wrigley Stadium, and it is, it's the same one. I do love Andy's line of you know, this is where Wrigley used to grow the gum. And I was like, my god, you're so silly. So silly.

Madi (01:44:48.906)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yep.

Madi (01:44:58.862)
No, Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a long time since I've looked that up.

Holly Constant (01:45:02.231)
William Wrigley was his name. Just FYI.

But that's so cool and really cool that you were Yeah. And super cool that it was another universe moment that you were just there recently and now we're talking about it here. That's really fun.

Madi (01:45:18.274)
Yeah, yeah, I love seeing it after just being there too. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:45:20.251)
Love.

Holly Constant (01:45:23.619)
Amazing. So Lucy says she might want to go back to Pawnee. She always did like it there, and she does a good job of like being a little nostalgic of like, Yeah, I do like it, you know. And Andy is still, my god, stuck on the idea that he's truly moving to Chicago and is like, You've got me really missing Pawnee. I can't believe I'm never gonna go back. my god.

Madi (01:45:43.758)
Yeah, it's not like you found an apartment and have to move there today too, even if this was your real life.

Holly Constant (01:45:49.617)
True. So now Leslie goes into Ron to call a truce so they can break up Jam and Tammy. And truly Leslie is just trying to help, which is really great. And I love that we see this from her. And she says Ron might be the only one who can help because he's actually been through it. And I do love that commentary that Jam is a monster, so he doesn't have a soul to save. have you ever seen Monsters Inc. Engage in the culture for once in a while. Especially with his kids.

Madi (01:46:10.209)
Yeah.

I can't believe he hasn't. Yeah, he has three kids. Yeah, there's no way. There's no way.

Holly Constant (01:46:20.283)
But I mean Monsters Inc. like maybe I think that had come out a little bit prior to this year, but not real it was around the same time. So y'all are crazy.

Madi (01:46:28.29)
Yeah, but my kid's seen it twice and he's too. You know, because it's like a staple. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:46:31.243)
that's funny. Yeah. So I mean, come on. Totally. my gosh, Ron. So then Jam comes in to the office and it's actually really sad. He looks like a battered puppy at the shelter. Like it's awful. He's like cowering with tail between his legs. And then this is when Ron offers Jam a gold bar to say one unflattering thing about Jam. And Jam is so entrenched in this that he asks if Tammy can keep the bar.

my God. And he's like smiling through it. It just gets worse. And I love that Ron does a medical exam basically on him, like shining the light in his eyes and everything, like making sure he's breathing and his pupils aren't dilated and all these things. my God, it's crazy.

Madi (01:47:02.956)
just gets worse.

Madi (01:47:16.342)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:47:18.475)
I do like that everything he brought like he brought everything with him from the parks office. he has that little poster of the boxer man behind him and the dartboard. I thought that was a really interesting touch that he's still Ron, you know.

Madi (01:47:32.192)
Mm-hmm, yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:47:34.783)
this is when he says, No man left behind and protect yourself against chemical warfare. When he's talking about the Tammy code slash like Tammy you know, protocol. Tammy does not abide by the Geneva conventions. side note, I did do a break what's that?

Madi (01:47:42.402)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:47:48.286)
No, that's scary. That's scary.

Holly Constant (01:47:53.433)
I know. I know. Yeah. Like you have to protect yourself. I'm sure she'd throw acid at somebody.

Holly Constant (01:48:01.363)
I did do a breakdown on the Geneva Conventions. Obviously, not as insane as everyone should probably look into this themselves, do your own research and everything. But I did I was interested about the chemical warfare comment. so the Geneva Conventions, and if you already know this, skip ahead, like forty-five seconds, okay? they're a set of four international treaties adopted and continuously updated since nineteen forty-nine, and they established the core legal standards for humanitarian treatment in war.

And then the so that makes them the cornerstone of international humanitarian law regarding prisoners of war, rights of civilians, that kind of thing. So there's four. So when you say the Geneva Convention, I think it's misleading and confusing because there's actually four. and then there's also protocols and all these other things. But the first Geneva Convention protects wounded and sick members of the armed forces in the field, basically saying that they must be respected and cared for without discrimination. And it also protects protects medical personnel and equipment and facilities.

Second Geneva Convention protects military personnel at sea. So we've got land and sea now, and it protects to to naval warfare, is what the second one is. the third one, it protects prisoners of war, POWs for short, if you are familiar with the term. defines humane treatment for POWs and it forbids torture, guarantees adequate food and medical care, and requires captors to allow POWs to communicate with their families and the Red Cross.

the fourth one is protecting civilians during war. So it provides humanitarian protections in and around war zones and in occupied territories, explicitly prohibits violence against life in person, hostage taking, torture, and unfair trials. there's four conventions in total, but what Ron is talking about is addressed by the 1925 Geneva Protocol, is the official term, regarding the use of biological and chemical weapons in international armed conflicts.

And I mean, it's a lot of information with like subsections and articles one through three and all these protocols. But I will say the thing that when I was reading this, and I know this is probably gonna be controversial, but it is true. when I was reading this, I was like, we did not abide by a lot of that stuff. we definitely tortured POWs that came out quite frequently, and civilians. but so that's where I as I was reading it, I found information that said, Bush slash the US definitely got in trouble with the war on terror.

Holly Constant (01:50:24.851)
because the Supreme Court ruled that we were in fact in violation of this with torturing prisoners of war, which is Zero Dark Thirty talks a lot about that. a lot of movies talk about it and how we were hiding that we were doing that. but yeah, so it's really interesting and I'm sure there's like so many more so much more information, but that is what the Geneva Convention is. And I thought that was really interesting that Ron brings it up. And the US has a really bad history, like a really bad history of that shit.

Madi (01:50:33.225)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Madi (01:50:49.998)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:50:54.441)
And but also we're trying to preserve peace at the same time. It's really tricky. It's really tricky and it's for something for foreign and global affairs people to decipher. but that I'm just presenting the information about what the Geneva Conventions actually are and what well, and what they're supposed to do. And there are many other countries that also have signed this treaty for the Geneva Conventions that also got in trouble for a lot of things that they did not abide by for this as well. So

Madi (01:51:02.444)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:51:11.971)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Madi (01:51:23.5)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:51:24.827)
Tough stuff. Tough stuff. But I was interested, so anyway.

Madi (01:51:26.872)
Yeah.

Yeah, I'm glad you listed them.

Holly Constant (01:51:32.549)
Yeah. So Ron made a Tammy D programming kit. He is prepared. He made a chastity belt. I love the commentary that it might be too big for jam, but you can just pad it.

Madi (01:51:43.136)
Yep. So good. Love it.

Holly Constant (01:51:45.041)
my gosh. We haven't had a dick joke in a long time, I feel. And then we learn that they haven't even had sex yet. that is the last card that Tammy will probably play. And it's so gross and pathetic that he said Jamie Jam says, She lets me rub up against her legs sometimes. Jam.

Madi (01:51:49.335)
Yeah.

Madi (01:51:53.282)
you

Madi (01:52:06.694)
Ugh, jam. Yeah, rough. Again. Yeah. Yeah. But that's why he was the perfect target. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:52:10.287)
Which also proves that he really does just want love, I think, at the end of the day, even though he's a dummy. Ugh. Not that sex is love, but exactly. Exactly. So Leslie says that they're gonna do a Pavlovian technique where the thing you like is paired with pain or a negative emotion. so she gets Tammy's perfume Girth, which, by the way, hilarious name. And every time Ron sprays it, Leslie s yeah, Girth. Which I think they talked about that when we got Dennis Feinstein.

Madi (01:52:32.408)
Great.

Madi (01:52:39.271)
Yeah, I was about to say that's got to be a Dennis Feinstein purview.

Holly Constant (01:52:39.588)
Involved.

Hundred percent. And every time Ron sprays it, Leslie slaps jam, which is funny. But apparently the internet had a little moment with this saying that this is actually aversion therapy, not Pavlovian. But I mean Pavlovian I feel is similar, but online it says that Pavlov Pavlovian is a biological response paired with a neutral trigger. And this isn't neutral. So maybe that's why. Like that's the difference.

Madi (01:52:55.65)
Hmm.

Madi (01:53:09.494)
Yeah, yeah, what Jim does to Dwight is Pavlov where he turns off his computer. Yeah, and it's just a sound, right? It's not something like Dwight's gonna have necessarily an emotion to it's just his body's gonna sound like his body's like, I expect a mint now because yeah. So they're probably right online. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:53:12.367)
That's exactly what I was thinking.

Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:53:25.177)
Right. So that makes sense. Yeah. I I agree. And and yeah, aversion therapy is what most people would refer this refer to this as. But it I could see how it would be confusing 'cause like when it's two things paired with an emotion. but this one, like you said, the Pavlovian is not really an emotion. It's just like a neutral response that happens biologically, you know? but anyhow.

Madi (01:53:40.302)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:53:50.801)
Yeah, the slaps here look so real, so funny. I did look it up. Apparently they weren't they really do. And the these slaps were not real. I did look it up and it was a stage slap and the sound effect was added in after. And a lot of times they'll add the stage or the slap sound on stage too, so that you really feel it while filming. But I don't know if that happened here. but both of them, Amy slapping and him turning Jam turning his face, Glazer, who does that, turns his face so

Madi (01:53:54.838)
Yeah, they do so well.

Holly Constant (01:54:19.353)
like hard and it really seems like they hit him. Maybe a little bit they do. And when I n I've not done intense stage combat, but when I've done little things, they say one of the things that you can do is to kind of cup your hand and

Madi (01:54:24.224)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:54:35.383)
It's so it's a little bit less of a slap. It's more of like a pound almost, but not like gentler and it doesn't sting as much. and obviously you have to be careful with how hard you swing and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, it's that it just looks so real. It was crazy. It's like this very slapstick moment, which I think is really cute. and then there were people online saying, as sad as it is, they're not too mad about Jam having to be slapped because he's such a tool. And I was like

Madi (01:54:54.773)
Yeah.

Madi (01:55:03.85)
Yeah, I stand by that. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:55:05.495)
They were like, okay, it's about time he got slapped. But at least this violence is somehow helping him get better, maybe? Question mark. I don't know. Like, at least it's not like terrible, like we're doing this, just beating him up. like the goal is for the good of all involved. I fe

Madi (01:55:13.354)
Yeah, valid.

Madi (01:55:24.438)
Yeah, although I'm sure Leslie's channeling her frustration.

Holly Constant (01:55:28.377)
A hundred percent. my gosh, this seems like the time that people would break. Like that I would just be cracking up, I feel, as a even as a crew member, you know what I mean, just watching this.

Madi (01:55:35.566)
Yep.

Madi (01:55:39.009)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:55:39.393)
Okay. So now we get to the morgue and Dan Candle says they can talk about draining. my gosh, which is so funny that or not funny, but ironic that he talked about that in his voice memos in real life. side note, I don't know if you noticed, but on Leslie's little pamphlet thing from the mortuary, it's called Lerpis Mortuary.

Madi (01:55:50.594)
Yep.

Madi (01:55:59.244)
I miss that. That's great.

Holly Constant (01:56:00.241)
And if you're new here, the Lerpis family is a pawnee institution. They own so many things. There's always guest stars and characters that are Lerpis families. Herman Lerpis is quite I think it's Herman Lerpis and Bjorn Lerpis that are the two most famous Lerpeses. Herman is the older man at the pawn shop who works there, who tried to date Anne at the auction. And Bjorn is the one that's like, there's a pawnch burger there. Like the ta the burgers are real good though, even though there's gonna be bees in them.

Madi (01:56:05.689)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:56:28.226)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:56:30.649)
and they also own, I think they own the garbage trucks. They own a lot of stuff. So anyway, they're a legacy. So April wants to touch a dead body. And she's like, Okay, like we're ready to go. Like, let's do it. but before that, you need two years of school and a year long apprenticeship, which honestly, when he said that, I was like, That makes sense. I feel like you need to know some basic anatomy and maybe like processes and the chemicals and all that kind of stuff.

Madi (01:56:36.15)
Yeah, great.

Madi (01:56:53.144)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:56:56.437)
and I did look it up and I wanted to see like if you were interested in this, how would you actually do it? And there are a lot of community colleges that have these programs. There are actual mortuary schools, but they're not in every state. So you sometimes the community college is your option. most candidates complete a two-year associate degree. Some pursue four years, like, you know, specializing in that, but a lot of people all you need is the two-year associate degree. And then in addition to the schooling,

Madi (01:56:57.729)
We have.

Holly Constant (01:57:24.755)
you have to do an apprenticeship. So this is real, which is accurate. You have to look at the state licenses as well, because some states you have to have a dual license for being a director of a funeral home and embalming. But some people, some states separate that. so you really have to make sure that your state is is good to go on that front. And you also have to make sure that your school is accredited by the American Board of Funeral Service Education. That's a real thing. Isn't that wild?

Madi (01:57:51.37)
Okay. That's crazy. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:57:54.745)
And yeah, like we thought, you get to study subjects like embalming, anatomy, chemistry, pathology, restorative art, grief counseling, and funeral service law. So that is really extensive and well-rounded, I feel. I'm gonna post this. I found an article literally called bestcolleges.com slash trades slash how to become a mortician. So if you're interested, yeah. And I think we like I think that's really interesting. And I think that

Madi (01:58:06.156)
Yeah, that's good.

Madi (01:58:16.93)
just in case anybody wants to know.

Holly Constant (01:58:23.797)
it's also really important. Like, I know we've harped on this a tiny bit, but I think that if you do have an open casket at your funeral, like I think it's really meaningful. And I know from experience, having seen my family members go through this, that it's really important to see your family member how you remember them. And I really and like the embalming process is a really important, like, deep moment. And I remember writing that in my notes and I like, I g I feel like I get emotional thinking about that because sometimes people die with such

swollen like figures or they're just like their disease took over their body. And so to if you do have an open casket, if that's what you decide, it's like really meaningful to have them be how you remember them and their life in their prime. You know what I mean? And not this disease that took over. so I think that's really important and and interesting to learn about. Not that I would do it, but I'm just saying I respect

Madi (01:58:58.775)
Yeah.

Madi (01:59:09.005)
Yeah.

Madi (01:59:15.415)
Yeah, agreed.

Holly Constant (01:59:17.581)
everyone who does it. It's so valid. And those people working at funeral homes have to have such a fine line between professionalism and emotions. And it's really, I think important. It makes a difference.

Madi (01:59:18.509)
Yeah.

Madi (01:59:25.55)
Mm.

Yeah, absolutely. Very important.

Holly Constant (01:59:32.355)
And then she sa April says, Why is every job just paperwork? That's so real. my God.

Madi (01:59:37.514)
Yeah, hate to say it. Every job is going to have something you don't want to do about it.

Holly Constant (01:59:41.963)
Mm-hmm. And Dan Candle's like, It's a living. my god, so good.

Madi (01:59:47.832)
to. It's so funny to me that Ben wants to get out of here so fast because it's like these are the jokes you live for bro. It just shows you how uncomfortable he is in there that he doesn't want to stay with somebody who's like got his same sense of humor.

Holly Constant (02:00:02.907)
Totally. my god, that's funny. Especially in regards to this content subject matter. my god. But honestly I was thinking April when I saw this, I was like, April, you could have done this. That's not even that long of a thing for this passion that you have. And I will say, like, that's I guess it depends on how bad you want it, what you're willing to sacrifice. Because there are instances I think where you could do something new or move to a new career, but you might have to like

Madi (02:00:08.366)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Madi (02:00:17.303)
Yeah.

Madi (02:00:24.931)
Yep.

Holly Constant (02:00:32.621)
Really start over and go back to school if that's something that you're interested in. But I was like, April, that would have been great for you if you wanted it, but I guess she doesn't want it as bad. She thought she just she just wants to touch the dead bodies and see them. I don't think she wants this as her full career. You know what I mean?

Madi (02:00:35.979)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (02:00:43.906)
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

Holly Constant (02:00:49.509)
So back to your point from earlier, we're back in Chicago and they're at the Bean, and Andy says this is why they call it Bean Town.

Madi (02:00:58.094)
Andy. It's actually the Boston is being town and they actually call Chicago the Windy City. But Windy City not because of In case people don't know, it's called the Windy City for its corruption in the government officials.

Holly Constant (02:00:59.945)
my god.

Holly Constant (02:01:03.567)
Yes.

Holly Constant (02:01:16.785)
I didn't know that. Yeah, 'cause it is w a windy city too, literally. How does wind have to do with corruption though?

Madi (02:01:19.342)
Yeah. It is. It is. it is a windy city as well. Yeah. Being on the lake like it is. I don't remember exactly. But I just remember I was probably in high school when I looked that up. And I was like, that's not what I was expecting. But I'd gone on a road trip and I found a magnet at a

Holly Constant (02:01:32.159)
okay.

Holly Constant (02:01:40.772)
Interesting.

Madi (02:01:45.612)
at a gas station and it was like what our governors are doing and it was them making license plates in prison. Yeah, okay, here it is.

Holly Constant (02:01:53.073)
Mmm weird Okay, yeah, I'm about to look it up.

Madi (02:01:59.642)
Chicago is nicknamed the windy city because 19th century journalists, particularly in New York and Cincinnati. So rival 19th century journalists mocked Chicagoans and local politicians as being full of hot air and boasting excessively while lobbying to host the 1893 World's Fair. Okay, so it's a little bit more pointed than that, but just said that they're full of hot air, bullshit, I guess. That's the AI answer. So I don't know.

Holly Constant (02:02:21.527)
Interesting. Okay. All right. this is where Well, I guess we'll see. Andy and Tom are talking about asking Lucy out, and Andy keeps forgetting that he's not moving to Chicago. Tom's like, we're alone. Do you think we're you're really moving here? my god. And then they cut it off before Andy can respond. So it's like, gosh, this is weird and concerning.

Madi (02:02:47.619)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (02:02:49.721)
Part of me, I'm sorry to say, I was like, Lucy, don't buy them shirts. They have enough money. Go get their own. But you like you can I get that it's a souvenir though, because like that is very sweet and just shows Lucy's like personality. but I was like, you don't have to do that, Lucy. You don't have to do that. You can buy them lunch, that would be maybe nice if they had a long travel day or something. But anyhow, Tom is an extra small, which is hilarious.

Madi (02:02:55.436)
Yeah.

Madi (02:02:59.881)
Yeah.

Madi (02:03:11.617)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (02:03:16.817)
And then this is where Tom chickens out asking her on a date and asks her to come work for him instead. And then we learn that she has a boyfriend. no. We did not know that.

Madi (02:03:26.996)
Yeah. It's good because he didn't have to fish for it. Like she just, she gave it to him. So.

Holly Constant (02:03:32.665)
Yeah. Yeah, kinda funny that he didn't come up at all the whole day, but

Madi (02:03:38.082)
Yeah, that is interesting. Good point.

Holly Constant (02:03:42.125)
so now we're doing role play where Leslie does a fantastic Tammy impression. I'm laughing out loud at this. Great work. my god. So, so good. And I love this little Ron mantra of his to hell with you, woman. Goodbye. I think my favorite line, I know we haven't done this in a while, but I really think my favorite line in this episode is hey, you big hunk of wainer mate.

Madi (02:03:47.287)
my gosh. So good. Amy Poehler killed it.

Madi (02:04:08.27)
I'm

Holly Constant (02:04:11.397)
Gets me every time. And then Leslie like pushing her crot Yes. So well delivered. And then Leslie pushing her crotch around, like it's hilarious physical comedy, like up against Nick Offerman. I mean, they do such a great job together. The hand my god. And the hand towels, Chinese finger trap, like let's let's go to Bonetown or whatever. It's just like it's so good.

Madi (02:04:14.067)
I love it so much. So well delivered.

Madi (02:04:26.753)
Yeah.

Madi (02:04:36.406)
Yeah, agree.

Holly Constant (02:04:39.139)
and then this is where they're drilling him on h all the ways a Tammy could be in the house. Tammy once camped out in my attic for six days. She survived on rats and rainwater. my god. All of this stuff is such vivid imagery too. Everything they're saying, it's like you can picture it immediately, which I love. And by the way, I love this house slash cabin they're in. I they never mentioned I know it's just probably one of runs

Madi (02:04:48.95)
Yeah, gross. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, agree.

Holly Constant (02:05:01.173)
one of Ron's properties, but this scene in particular has the spiral staircase behind him. And I love a spiral staircase. I really think it's my most favorite like architectural thing at all. I don't love slash care about interior design very much. I mean I respect it, but I like spiral staircase is one of my most favorite things. It just looks so cool and like fairy tale like, I feel

Madi (02:05:06.887)
Mm, me too.

Madi (02:05:23.766)
It's a vibe. Yeah.

Holly Constant (02:05:24.877)
Mm-hmm. So Tom says he wanted a love partner, but he got a business partner. And Andy is like, you know who else started that out that way? Ben and Jerry. Which is so funny. It is. It absolutely is. Yes, it's totally especially when he runs out of the taxi to go get Ben and Jerry's and he's like, I'm I'll meet you at the airport. Like, no.

Madi (02:05:33.454)
This whole ice cream tangent to me is added. Yeah. Okay, good. I'm not crazy. Yeah. Ice cream.

Holly Constant (02:05:49.341)
side note, Ben and Jerry have been killing it lately. They always post about progressive movements. They really stand up for humanity humanity. It's amazing. And they've gotten a lot of heat for it too, but they keep doing it because that's what they know is right. And I will always support them. They're fantastic.

Madi (02:05:55.137)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (02:06:00.088)
Yeah.

Madi (02:06:05.113)
Absolutely, 100%.

Holly Constant (02:06:07.161)
And the part where they have a last minute flight is cut too. I don't think in in the original air it just talks about he just says like, you know, we'll head like we'll head to the airport or something like this. But I don't know if they like said it as much in in these words. So that's that's good that, you know, we kinda understand. Okay, they're flying back. which makes sense. And then, yeah, Andy says there's like a spark between them and I think that's really

Madi (02:06:26.616)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (02:06:34.671)
I don't know. I guess we'll see where that goes. 'Cause I feel like Tom is now his confidence is shaken. But it is true. You can see that they have a spark, even if she has a boyfriend.

Madi (02:06:40.482)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, absolutely. You never know what's going to happen.

Holly Constant (02:06:47.483)
So now at the library, Leslie and Ron are with Jam to put up their war front against Tammy. One of the best scenes in parks, I feel. It's so good. Side note: another Indianapolis moment that the exterior of this library is actually part of the Indianapolis Public Library System. It is called the College Avenue Branch. You know how each library has their own branch name. This one is the College Avenue Branch.

Madi (02:07:06.05)
Great.

Madi (02:07:10.784)
Mm-hmm. Cool.

Holly Constant (02:07:13.613)
Now I will say that this is a different exterior than the library we saw in I believe it was like season one or two, honestly, where Ron leaves with a thumbtack in his face, if if everyone remembers that. because that was right across the street from Pawnee City Hall. Like I remember doing a whole breakdown on it because they were walking from City Hall, which is in Pasadena, if you're people are new here, as the the Pasadena City Hall is Pawnee City Hall.

Madi (02:07:21.557)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (02:07:39.629)
as a filming location and they walked to another building literally directly across the street, like the driveway kind of. and that is where they met with Tammy. And so I was like, maybe that's that location is like the headquarters because it's next to like City Hall or something. And then this location of Ron and Jamie is where they're where she maybe is working for that day. That's the story that I made up in my mind anyway. So I don't know. But cool that they use the exterior of an actual Indianapolis library.

Madi (02:07:58.08)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, here for it.

Madi (02:08:06.541)
Yeah, yeah, very cool. I like that.

Holly Constant (02:08:10.185)
we do another spray and slap just for good measure. And Jam says to Tammy, Okay, I think we should break up. And Tammy laughs, and we find out that he has to wear a diaper because of all of he's been eating. Ew, what that's disgusting. And then she talks to Baby Talk, talks in Baby Talk to him, all the drills. She said, you know, we j we drilled you on this. We knew she was gonna speak baby talk, which is hilarious that they knew that.

Madi (02:08:35.596)
Yep.

Holly Constant (02:08:39.299)
And then this is where Tammy pulls her card and says like she'll vote for well, one of her cards and says that she'll vote for Leslie if they take this off the table and just like leave them alone. And like, Okay, Leslie, wow. This was I mean, you can tell she has a bit of a moment of hesitation, like, No, okay, I'm not gonna do it. Well done.

Madi (02:08:48.44)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (02:08:56.503)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I love it. I like that. I like that she takes a pause. I think it shows her human side of like, I could win here. But then it shows that she is going to put James James, James, happiness and healthiness above above this. So

Holly Constant (02:09:02.853)
Me too.

Holly Constant (02:09:11.898)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (02:09:16.409)
Yeah, totally. my god, I could totally see James being his middle name. Jeremy James Jam. That's now the canon of the show. Okay. so yeah, now she pulls her last card. She gets naked in the middle of the library, in public. Great job costume department, making the clothes just rip off. Like this is a very big theater, like set.

Madi (02:09:21.358)
There you go.

Madi (02:09:35.606)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (02:09:39.227)
thing where you can tell she's wearing like a wrap skirt. They and what they usually do is take something that would have buttons and make it velcro, that kind of thing. Like in real life it would be a zipper or whatever. so that's really smart that she can do this so fast to manipulate him. And I love Ron's delivery of the last card is played. I love that.

Madi (02:09:53.398)
Yeah.

Madi (02:09:57.894)
Yes. My favorite part here is Leslie being told to shh.

Holly Constant (02:10:00.163)
And then yeah.

Holly Constant (02:10:06.161)
Yes, I was just about to say. my gosh, it's so good. So this that's so funny. Okay, so Brooke Balmer, is this actress's name and she has sent us voice memos many times because she's actually been in three episodes of Parks as a librarian, and this is an iconic line. Shh, this is a library. But do you see what's going on here? Hello? Because of course you need to be quiet while there's a naked lady running around. Yeah, yeah.

Madi (02:10:24.846)
Like, yeah. Like, it's just a normal thing. Yeah.

Holly Constant (02:10:32.923)
Keep your priorities straight and shut up in a library, okay? Which is just so funny. It just like makes me laugh because it makes me think that like if the fire or if there was a fire, if the library was like burning down, if there was a tornado or something and everybody was screaming, the li this librarian Brook Bomber's character would be like, You guys need to shut the fuck up right immediately now. I don't care there's a fire. This is a library.

Madi (02:10:38.427)
my gosh.

Madi (02:10:55.02)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (02:10:59.261)
so we got voice memos from her a really long time ago, which was so nice. And she's been so kind. Every time I've reached out to her when she's been on the episode, has been so sweet and so nice. Another one that I'm just so grateful to for sending us all this wonderful BTS. This is her last time on the show, which is so bittersweet. we first talked to her, if you can believe it, in season two with the Sweetems episode. and then Ron and Tammy, because she was a librarian again, librarian again in that inner in

Madi (02:11:14.924)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (02:11:22.839)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (02:11:27.609)
That iteration. and yeah, what a way to have your last episode. I love this so much. Just a friendly reminder that she's been in so many things. Barry, the middle, always sunny, Gray's Anatomy, hot in Cleveland, fresh off the boat, like so many amazing things, so talented. and it's been four years since we talked to her. If you can believe that.

Madi (02:11:48.222)
my gosh. Wow. Crazy.

Holly Constant (02:11:49.423)
Yeah. I know. Time flies. But so I messaged her and I asked her if she had any memories and she was so sweet, she immediately messaged back and sent me a cute little quick voice memo and I'll just play that right now. Thank you so much, Brooke.

Holly Constant (02:14:10.988)
my god, I'm so excited for her to do that.

Madi (02:14:11.918)
Yeah, that's so cool. That's gonna be awesome. So great.

Holly Constant (02:14:16.077)
Yes. I listened to that particular voice memo before the podcast recording just because it was shorter and you know, she sent it so quickly. And so I already emailed her back and I was like, my god, that's so amazing because a musical anything really, but a musical a play, like takes so much effort and energy and collaboration and it's a lot of hard work. It's fun, of course it is, but it's so much hard work.

And just the reiterations of like rewrites and blocking and how things are meant to like come across on stage versus on set. Like it's so different. So I I'm so excited for that. And if any I'll definitely keep posting about it and I'll post her Instagram in the show notes as well. So that if anyone's in LA they can go watch it 'cause that's gonna be

So amazing. And yeah, so great to hear about the direction of like, I just want you to pop up because yeah, she truly did. And like she was like, she came out of nowhere. And then Leslie's like, what the fuck are talking about? It was so perfect and lovely. And yeah, kudos to Megan Malale. Like I said, what a way to end this run of this character. Amazing.

Madi (02:15:06.924)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (02:15:19.17)
Mm.

Madi (02:15:22.795)
Agreed. So great.

Holly Constant (02:15:23.969)
Ugh. Love it so much. So thank you so much, Brooke, for that. I really appreciate it. And we thank you for your service on the show. It's so funny. Did a great job. Okay s so he says, Rom's like, you don't need the crotch blinder. Just end it. amazing. Love that. And I'm not sure I was gonna say too, I'm not sure what exactly North Hollywood Library she's talking about because I couldn't find it anywhere online. Like they kept talking about the Pasadena one across from the City Hall.

Madi (02:15:34.05)
Yes, thank you.

Holly Constant (02:15:53.301)
but that was the exterior, not the actual interior. But there are many libraries in North Hollywood that I remember frequenting when I lived in LA. So there's one in particular I'm thinking of that could have been it, but I don't know. So either way, love the North Hollywood moment, or like knowledge of that at least. So if you're in North Hollywood and you recognize any of the libraries, let us know. And I can't get over that Nick Offerman keeps a straight face here. Like that's crazy. my god.

Madi (02:16:21.044)
Yeah, so well done.

Holly Constant (02:16:24.197)
To help with you, woman, goodbye. Go jam. Get out of there. Go jam. And then my god.

Madi (02:16:28.48)
Yeah, yeah. And that's exactly a phrase that Ron would say, to hell with you, woman, goodbye. That is like, yeah, it's a Ron phrase.

Holly Constant (02:16:37.263)
Yeah, that's his mantra. That's what they did in the training. He used that himself on her. So yes, we are just repeating that cycle in a good way. Megan slash Tammy too keeps knocking everything over a while she's naked. I love that no one's telling her to be quiet.

Madi (02:16:46.701)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (02:16:54.656)
Yeah, great. It's like all the librarians are on the same page, and it's like you can be loud, but no one else can be loud.

Holly Constant (02:17:00.001)
Absolutely. Yes. And I love this line too. This might be my second favorite line. Maybe it's my first. I don't know. Maybe it's a tie. Turns out the crotch blinder was inside you all along. my gosh. side note in the library, the book Apparently Love Life by Rob Lowe can be seen in the background, which I could not find it.

Madi (02:17:14.062)
yeah.

Madi (02:17:23.741)
cool.

Holly Constant (02:17:24.165)
Somebody found it. I couldn't find it. So if someone can let me know. and apparently it came out in twenty fourteen. So it has Parks and Rec moments in it. So I definitely wanna read it and see what he has to say about being on set. and I also wanted to point out this I did see. There's a book called Psych that's visible behind Tammy Two. And it's the it's in reference to the T V show Psych and it literally has the two dudes

Madi (02:17:34.338)
Yeah.

Madi (02:17:44.854)
Okay. I love psych.

Holly Constant (02:17:48.687)
I know. And it literally has the two dudes on the front and the f and the font and everything. So you'll have to go back and check it out because it's definitely visible. sh it's after her line or during her line, like, what are you doing with these two Jabonis? It's that one. I didn't get the timestamp, but there's also Air Force None is in the background, which April was reading. We talked about that. Game of Jones was in the background as well at the beginning of the scene. So they really did a great job.

Madi (02:17:55.499)
Yeah!

Madi (02:18:08.778)
Great.

Holly Constant (02:18:16.529)
filling out this library, including the other librarians, I thought was so funny. There's this lady in the background who keeps giving you'll have to go back and watch it if you don't know what I'm talking about, where she just keeps sh she's kind of blurred because she's in the background, who just keeps giving them judgmental looks, like kind of looking behind the counter everywhere they go. And I was like, this is that's actually really funny. Cause a lot of times with extras, you don't want to be too much, do too much because you're not in the scene. But I feel like that worked for the scene, especially how these librarians are so committed to

their judgment of everyone else.

Madi (02:18:48.14)
Yeah, absolutely.

Holly Constant (02:18:50.971)
So now April's having a moment with Donna about what to do with her life. We are rounding out the episode here. Saturn's return is what Donna says. The orbit takes twenty nine years and when it gets back to where it was when you were born, lots of turmoil, self discovery. And yeah, that makes sense. I've heard of that. That's a thing.

Madi (02:18:58.507)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (02:19:07.404)
Yeah, yeah, I would say I look at when I was 29, there was a lot of change. So, yeah.

Holly Constant (02:19:11.441)
Mm. And cute little Jerry just loves his job. He doesn't want to do anything else. So funny.

Madi (02:19:17.45)
Yeah, I love it.

Holly Constant (02:19:20.631)
And Ben reminds her, like, hey, you only looked at one job. Like it's not over, you know? And Ben wants to help her. but you can't tell Leslie, which right now I kind of think is a good call. I just it might be too much.

Madi (02:19:26.285)
Yeah.

Madi (02:19:32.492)
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, wait, wait until it's real. You know, I think the way she finds out is really, really well done.

Holly Constant (02:19:37.879)
Yeah. Or it doesn't even Well, I mean, it doesn't even have to be like a real job necessarily, like she found a job. It's just like she's still in such the early stages. Like you can still let someone know something without telling them everything in a way, you know what I mean? so yeah. But for right now, I don't I don't think we should say anything 'cause she's like s already worked up about the whole Ron and National Park commercial zoning situation. So yeah.

Madi (02:19:46.624)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Madi (02:19:55.021)
Yeah.

Madi (02:20:06.284)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (02:20:07.513)
And it's so sweet. Like Ben says he's finally doing something he loves, so he wants to help her do the same. And I want you to be happy because you're my friend, he says, which is very cute and nice.

Madi (02:20:16.608)
Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, and he's always on our side. It's just, that's nice to remember.

Holly Constant (02:20:21.667)
I know. Totally. And I like April's desk. She has a picture of her and Andy in London, which is very cute. And yeah, to your point, you Yeah. And to your point you almost forget that they did the whole campaign in DC. Like they worked together and had a whole moment together. and so it's kinda nice to see that again. And then April hugs him. Wow, my jaw was on the floor. I was like, What? That's a big deal.

Madi (02:20:30.113)
Yeah, I saw that.

Madi (02:20:37.292)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Holly Constant (02:20:48.153)
Okay, so now Jam is back to his normal self, calling back to Leslie and Ron or calling Ret Leslie and Ron his best friends again. He says he's going to abstain from the vote, which is very big of him. I think that's really good. And he's finally kind of gotten back to his self, I feel. especially when he says if he had I think that's growth too. He says if he had to choose a side, it would be Lucy Lu's back side. my god. When he said that out loud, I was like, There he is. There he is. Yep.

Madi (02:21:00.098)
Yeah.

Madi (02:21:05.036)
Yeah, I think that's growth.

Madi (02:21:13.89)
There it is.

Holly Constant (02:21:19.011)
Then be yeah, because you're like, he moved forward, he's growing, he's gonna abstain from the vote, that's so like mature of him and you're like, okay, there you go. Well, you can you're never gonna like fully change your core of who you are. But I'm glad he's not in Ron clothes anymore, he's cleaned up, he looks good.

Madi (02:21:31.159)
Yeah.

Madi (02:21:35.863)
Yes, agreed.

Holly Constant (02:21:37.531)
So then Ron and Leslie have this moment where they're so close to making up, I feel, because you can see each other, they compliment each other, they respect each other. They're both saying it was a really good how they work together. And I have to say, I love seeing this platonic relationship story. I feel like it's so perfect because it don't doesn't always have to be about lovers and boyfriends, girlfriends. Like this is a deep friendship and seeing that tension in a platonic way is really relatable, but also really unique for on screen and for these and like for characters in general, because I feel like we don't do that as often.

Madi (02:22:02.86)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (02:22:09.105)
So it was really nice to see.

Holly Constant (02:22:27.663)
Okay. and then yeah, we have Tammy bringing people back together too, which is weird. We did not expect that, I feel, because Tammy's meant to bring people apart. and also I hate that Tammy gives libraries a bad name. Like that kind of sucks, but whatever. Yeah. And then my last notes are that Lucy says that she really owes Tom. They're laughing, and I think it looks a little flirty. She puts her hand on Tom's shoulder, like it looks a little flirty.

Madi (02:22:35.822)
Yeah. Yep.

Madi (02:22:41.75)
Yeah, I know, because I love, we both love libraries.

Madi (02:22:53.836)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (02:22:56.463)
And then this end scene is what I was talking about earlier where this part was just straight up replaced. Andy has this cute like ice cream moment in the Peacock version for Ben and Jerry's. That was like a callback for Ben and Jerry's. But the actual scene was a little bit different. I'm gonna play it for you.

Madi (02:23:10.059)
Yeah.

Madi (02:23:25.934)
I do remember that. I agree. Yeah, I agree.

Holly Constant (02:23:27.333)
That one's better in my opinion.

I just think it's it's a little bit more andy and it's like, I don't know, I just think it's cute. They're gonna totally gonna fall in love. And I don't think he says that in the original version. Like he he kind of hints toward it, but yeah.

Madi (02:23:38.264)
Yeah.

Madi (02:23:42.882)
Yeah. Love it. No, no, that was it.

Holly Constant (02:23:44.601)
Anyway, did you have any other notes for this one?

All right. Well, thank you guys for listening. That was a little bit of a longer one, but we had a lot to cover, so I appreciate you hanging in there. And we'll see you on the next one. Thanks for hanging out. Don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe.

Madi (02:24:00.782)
See you next time.

Holly Constant (02:24:02.672)
Bye.