(S5Ep20) Jerry's Retirement!

🎶🎶 Eggs, bacon and toast! 🎶🎶🎶 It's Jerry Day! (or what I'm calling Jerry Day) We hear from Julie Brister, who plays the incredibly funny guard at the executive dining hall ("His dream, really?) Check her out on St. Denis Medical coming out soon! Thank you for sharing your audition story, being coached/taught by THE Amy Poehler herself and explaining more about your night shoot! Go ahead and follow her! 

Julie's Insta! https://www.instagram.com/bristahsouljah/

Ann and Chris have more awkward moments at the fertility center, Ben is ready for his day off and Jerry teaches us all that family and your life outside of work is precious <3 

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Transcript

Holly Constant (00:47.33)
Never mind, we're good. We're done.

Okay. Okay. All right. Okay, everyone. Hello, here we are, season five, episode 20, Jerry's retirement. This is such a good episode. my gosh, I was so excited when I saw that it came up. I was like, finally this episode. I love it so much.

Madi (01:01.396)
I know.

Madi (01:06.318)
I agree, but I also have some very cringe-worthy moments in this episode. But yeah, I agree. And we're getting to the end of the season, right? We've got two episodes after this one. And it's just been such a good season. There's been so much development from beginning to end. So it's crazy.

Holly Constant (01:10.65)
totally. This s-

Holly Constant (01:17.691)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:22.884)
Yeah.

Totally. Well, this was written by Norm Hizcock and Aisha Muharrar. And Norm we've talked to. I will post his interview in the show notes so you guys can listen to that if you want to. He is so sweet and so precious and just always gets back to me so quickly. So love that and very grateful for that. And Aisha, we've heard many things from. She's on The Good Place or was a writer on The Good Place. If you listen to the Parks and Rec Collection podcast, you've heard her many a time. But just a brief

like overview for Norm, he's famous for doing Kids in the Hall, King of the Hill, you know, obviously with Greg Daniels, all the things. I tried to reach out to Aisha a while ago, but I never heard back from her and she doesn't have her contact information listed. So I don't really know how to get in touch with her. So, but if she's listening, I hope she knows that we are huge fans. But yeah, she's on The Good Place and a bunch of other stuff, as I mentioned previously.

And then this was directed by Nicole Hall of Center who, OMG, is an Academy Award nominated director for Can You Ever Forgive Me with Melissa McCarthy. This was a couple years ago. And I don't think I had realized when I first reached out to her, because she's directed a couple of episodes of Parks, when I first reached out to her, I don't think I realized that she was a Academy Award nominee. And I was like, my God. Because I think at this time she might have been up for it, but I don't know.

Madi (02:25.901)
Wow.

Madi (02:29.261)
Yeah.

Madi (02:41.12)
Yeah, that she had that accolade.

Holly Constant (02:48.313)
or maybe it was like a year, I don't know, but she I think had her ages listed and I was like, well, why the fuck not? So I never heard back, but either way, I am a huge fan of hers. She is also a writer and producer for a lot of Julia Louis Dreyfus movies. There's this one called Enough Said and You Hurt My Feelings and You Hurt My Feelings is so good. I feel like they're just, I don't know what the word is. They're like kind of indie movies in a way, but, and I guess I'm only saying that really because

Madi (03:02.732)
Okay.

Holly Constant (03:17.357)
It might have been in the theater, but I just don't feel like it was as prominent or like people knew as much about it. But Julie Louis Dreyfus is obviously phenomenal and Nicole Holliff Center is a great writer and a great director. So I just think that she should get more recognition. And I think in Hollywood she does, but for like the layman that doesn't really know that she's a writer and director, I feel like civilians don't really know her. So I'm trying to just spread the word. Okay, that's all I have to say.

Madi (03:33.358)
Mm-hmm, right.

Madi (03:45.058)
Here for it.

Holly Constant (03:46.491)
So great dream team and then she also so like I said, she directed four episodes of parks total She directed Eagleton and season 3 the one where we see Leslie's Eagleton nemesis I always think of when I hear Eagleton the episode name I always think of the one where they go visit the Eagleton Park You know what mean? The one? Visit the Eagleton Park the one with Brad. What's his name? Julie we drive his husband actually

Madi (04:05.75)
one that they go what? Sorry, I sneezed. yeah, yeah.

Just husband, yeah.

Holly Constant (04:14.439)
So, but anyway, that's not the Eagleton episode. The Eagleton one is where they like see Eagleton for the first time and Parker Posey is like the nemesis from, you the old park days. Anyway, so she directed that. She directed Smallest Park, of course, and then a great episode. And then she'll go on to direct the Pawnee Eagleton tip off. So she has some really amazing direction under her belt for this.

Madi (04:22.296)
Yeah.

Madi (04:37.78)
Absolutely. It would have been perfect if her third, like all three episodes were Eagleton episodes.

Holly Constant (04:43.245)
I know that would have been funny actually. Yeah. my gosh. I really wish Julie Louis Dreyfus was on this show. I just, I'm going to write my own fan fiction that she comes on somehow. Yeah.

Madi (04:50.368)
No. She's so great. Yeah. She, she just, this is like a tangent, but she did such a great job in her little play off in the SNL like anniversary show when she's in the audience with the, her emotional support dog or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. She's great.

Holly Constant (05:04.891)
yeah, huh. Her dog. Yeah. Yeah. my gosh, that was so good. Okay, well, I'm ready for summary whenever you are.

Madi (05:15.426)
Perfect. Okay. Jerry's retirement day comes as a surprise to everyone and Leslie feels the need to change her PTO day into a day Jerry will never forget. Anne and Chris talk next steps in having a baby and Tom tries to stop himself from becoming the next Jerry.

Holly Constant (05:31.379)
yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tom. Takes it very seriously.

Madi (05:34.699)
Tom.

He does, which is part of the problem.

Holly Constant (05:40.277)
Right, exactly. Well, like I said, I really love this episode. We finally get to see Jerry singing his song, the Eggs, Bacon and Toast song, which is like such a canon moment, I feel. Monumental.

Madi (05:50.948)
my gosh, I feel like, well, it's monumental. We sing it in our house every time we have eggs bacon. And even if we have waffles, we change it to waffles or whatever. So it's, yeah. And I'm sure we're not the only people that do that.

Holly Constant (05:55.674)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Right, totally. And I just love seeing this episode of him being a real human and a good dad. Like, I love it so much. And just like Jerry being the highlight of the episode is really cool to me, you know?

Madi (06:09.463)
Yeah.

Madi (06:14.688)
It is, yeah, after he's been made fun of for all these years. And yeah, I love that little peak C and the little nugget of honesty he has to Leslie when she's at his house too is so great.

Holly Constant (06:18.543)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (06:27.651)
Yeah, it's really nice. And the name of this episode apparently freaked out Jim O'Hare and a couple of the writers, because they were like, so Jerry is leaving? He's just done? they did, apparently Norm said that they actually did kick that idea around. So is he just, he can come back. Obviously everybody comes back after they retire and have a nice moment.

Madi (06:35.937)
no.

Madi (06:43.533)
Wow.

Holly Constant (06:50.107)
And writers figure out a way. But Jim especially was freaked out like, guess I'm being written off the show now. Because I guess in real life, that doesn't happen. I feel like you don't go back to the place that you worked all the time, enough for you to be a cast member of a show. So it's really nice the way that they pulled this around and turned it into that he's going to come back.

Madi (06:57.846)
Yeah. I would be too.

Madi (07:09.132)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Holly Constant (07:18.543)
more, what's the word? I don't know what the word is. He's just gonna come back more. know, like frequently scheduled arrivals. But anyway, so we start this episode making a scrapbook in true Leslie fashion about her first year on city council. And Ben comes in, this is not his first time, but is this our, I guess, second time seeing letters to Cleo's shirt?

Madi (07:42.57)
It is. Yeah. And I liked the juxtaposition between their two casual day outfits. Yeah. Like he is like, he is a vibe. He is, I want to go home and sit on the couch and watch movies and chill. And she is, we're going to go to brunch and we're going to go to the farmer's market. And like, she's still got that very put together look. Not that he doesn't look good. He's just more cash.

Holly Constant (07:49.825)
days.

Holly Constant (08:02.149)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (08:09.623)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she could go out to a nice restaurant and he probably would need to change. But I love, I do love her. I wrote that actually. I love her shirt. I love that collared moment. That's one of my favorite things I feel in fashion. I only have two shirts that do that, but I don't know why. I just really love that look of a collar underneath the sweater. I don't know. It's very white girl of me, but.

Madi (08:15.67)
Yeah, he would need to change for sure.

Madi (08:21.559)
Me too.

Madi (08:32.758)
Yeah, well, but it's put together. a nice, it's not too formal, but also like you said, you could go out to a nice restaurant.

Holly Constant (08:42.467)
Yeah, well, especially like when it's nice, when it's like a nice colorful moment. It's not like, you know, super mega. That's what it is. It's not put together or it is put together, but it's not like so drab and office looking. You know what I mean?

Madi (08:46.968)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (08:54.934)
Yeah, yeah, it adds a pop of like, I don't know, design and creativity to it. Yeah, flavor, I like that.

Holly Constant (09:00.119)
Yeah, flavor. Yeah. Well, anyway, Ben comes in with the pictures to add to Leslie's scrapbook, thinking that they're pictures of her teaching the sex ed to seniors, but they're actually very graphic sex pictures. I know. Seriously. Because all memories deserve a spot.

Madi (09:14.906)
Ugh. Why do you have these? just...

the second I would have been done with that, would have been like trash. Ugh.

Holly Constant (09:24.781)
Yeah, but this is again, this is bringing back her hoarder vibes. I feel of like all memories and all things deserve a spot. Even the saggy ones. my gosh, but great question. Why wouldn't you incinerate them?

Madi (09:29.132)
Yeah.

Madi (09:36.399)
yeah, yeah. Now that's not something I would want to remember, honestly.

Holly Constant (09:43.341)
Yeah. And then she has the names, a scrapbook of reflection, the journey begins, time is the relentless and cruel enemy of the civil servant. And she spent so much time on the names. That's really hilarious, actually. Makes a lot of sense.

Madi (09:55.36)
Yeah. this is like one of those that we talk about this all the time. Where does she find the time to do any of this? Because we know she puts 100 % of herself into her job, but she still has time to do the scrapbooking and she has the time like the last episode to put time into all those anniversaries and everything. Just like she has more hours in the day than the rest of us do. That has to be it. No.

Holly Constant (10:17.581)
I know, I don't think she sleeps. I have to believe that she gets four hours a night at the end. I don't know how she's living, but yeah, that's the only thing. Right, so as we talked about before, yeah, they have planned to take their day off. They want to have a little moment and she wants, she's like, let's work on some projects. Wouldn't that be sexy for a day off? He's like, no.

Madi (10:26.05)
Yeah, can't be healthy, but.

Madi (10:43.296)
Holly Constant (10:45.883)
I mean, I guess I get it in a way, but I still don't really understand why they went into the office on their day off at the beginning.

Madi (10:52.706)
That was the first thing I said, yeah, when they're like, she's scrapbooking and then I find you find out that they're on PTO. Why are you at the office? Like.

Holly Constant (11:01.045)
And I guess it could make sense in the lore of Leslie because maybe she has all her pictures and clippings and all that stuff in her office or something. But I feel like Leslie's got to have a spot in her house specifically made for scrapbooking. So why are they there?

Madi (11:16.77)
Absolutely. Yeah, great question. Yeah, I have no idea why they're actually at work. And if I'm Ben, right, like if Leslie says, I need to go into the office, like for my scrapbooking, I would say, okay, then we're not taking today off because you're not gonna walk into the office and not do something.

Holly Constant (11:22.447)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (11:27.95)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (11:34.591)
Right, exactly true. my gosh. Yeah. So, while Leslie is now asking the rest of, or telling the rest of the crew that she's gonna be gone and asking April to water her plants while she's gone. And I do love that April says that she'll use boiling hot milk instead because they're out of water. I thought that was kind of funny to be honest.

Madi (11:36.782)
It's just not in her nature.

Madi (11:50.208)
Yeah, that is funny. I love that little cute matching moment. April's wearing the same kind of vibe. Collar through the sweater. I love it.

Holly Constant (11:57.987)
yeah, that's true. Mm-hmm, yeah, I do too. Well, then this is when our kind of shock moment comes in where Jerry comes out and he has this heartfelt speech moment saying it's an honor to have worked with them all. He's wearing a suit, like a suit jacket, essentially. I've never seen him wear that, or at least like not recently, carrying a box with all his stuff.

Madi (12:13.066)
I know.

Madi (12:17.462)
No, he came in way more, way more formal today, like as a celebration.

Holly Constant (12:21.037)
Yeah, Donna's looked to camera of like, what the fuck? And speaking of that, just, really love how they don't really often use the bleep, but when they do, this one was needed. This one was so funny. my gosh. And it's so out of left field. I mean, not really, but like, it's just what everybody was thinking and you didn't expect.

Madi (12:26.466)
Ha ha!

Madi (12:35.968)
It's intentional, yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (12:45.551)
her to say it out loud. think that's what I think is out of left fields. Like you didn't expect her to actually say what she was thinking, but she just does. And then they bleep it and it's so funny. So she's like, what the fuck is happening right now? And then Jerry says he's retiring. This is his last day. It's not even the day before. It's his actual last day.

Madi (12:46.615)
right.

Madi (12:51.991)
Right.

Madi (13:03.19)
Right. And he has only one box for 40 years of work. Although if you look at how small of a space they've given him, it's fair. But yeah, this big, big stuff. And unfortunately, he has been giving people a little bit of a heads up and nobody has been clocking it.

Holly Constant (13:11.035)
True. Yeah.

Holly Constant (13:20.855)
Yeah, totally. Right. And I love, well, Leslie's like, why didn't you say anything? And he's like, well, I didn't want to make a fuss, but gosh, I'm pretty sure I said something. Like I mentioned it a few times. And I do love that they use one of the flashbacks is a real one. You know, that one of them when he says he's two years from pension, that's like an actual.

Madi (13:27.406)
He's like, did.

Madi (13:34.38)
Yeah.

Madi (13:39.928)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (13:45.755)
clip of you know earlier in the in the show and then I think the next two are ones that they made up specifically for this episode which I think is really perfect honestly because they're so Jerry you know like they either don't know he's even there or he messes or spills something so they're really just focusing on that and they're not thinking about what he actually said my gosh it really funny

Madi (13:46.977)
Right.

Madi (14:06.115)
Yeah.

Madi (14:11.384)
cash.

Holly Constant (14:11.419)
But then we, you know, I love Leslie's sneaky comment. And I say sneaky because it kind of is a throwaway where she's like, as much as we want this to happen, we can't just let Jerry disappear. I'm like, OK. And then I do love this Ron saying one sentence and then Jerry says, thank you, Ron. That speech means a lot. And it was literally just one sentence of like, great service, the end.

Madi (14:22.039)
Yeah.

Madi (14:31.661)
Yeah.

Madi (14:36.16)
Yeah, which this happens a couple times in the series where I can't remember who it is who like tears up. It's Anne. That's right. Yeah, when she's leaving, right? Yeah.

Holly Constant (14:42.297)
it's Anne when she's leaving. Yeah, because Jerry says like this beautiful like goodbye to her. And she's just like, OK, thanks. And then Ron says goodbye or something like very small. And Julie, that means so much.

Madi (14:50.584)
Yeah, thanks, Jerry. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I think she he even mentions her by name and I think that probably means a lot to her too.

Holly Constant (15:02.796)
Right, totally. my god.

Madi (15:04.512)
It's yeah. So yeah, his words hold more weight, I think because he doesn't speak often. yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (15:08.676)
Right.

Holly Constant (15:12.033)
Yeah, totally. And Andy's whole like, okay, see you tomorrow, Jerry. Like not even being aware of what is happening at all. my God.

Madi (15:20.31)
I laughed out loud. Like, of course. That's one of those things that was like, you're like, my gosh, that was either really, really great character writing, or that was one of those moments where Chris Pratt was like, I'm gonna just throw this out there.

Holly Constant (15:33.227)
Right, my gosh. Yeah, so now they're figuring out how to figure out J'Garry's life and whatever. But now we're back with Anne and Chris, back with the fertility lady who is played by Emily Spivey, which we talked about, so I'm glad that they bring her back. To be honest, before I...

Madi (15:41.283)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (15:49.539)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (15:51.627)
know, watched this show as an analyzing moment. I don't know that I would have recognized that Emily Spivey was there both times, because I knew she looked familiar in the first one, but I didn't know they brought her back, so that's wonderful, and I'm so happy that they brought her back, because she's awesome. And she's saying Chris might be the healthiest human being we've ever seen, because they ran all the tests and everything and checked their blood work or whatever. That's really cute.

Madi (15:58.68)
Mm.

Madi (16:03.222)
Yeah, that's awesome.

Madi (16:12.45)
Yeah, he says, thinks I get that a lot.

Holly Constant (16:15.671)
Yeah, after she says that he has the resting heart rate of a tortoise or whatever.

Madi (16:18.838)
Yeah, what gosh, he's so proud.

Holly Constant (16:22.499)
And we bring back that, you know, the, is he gonna pass on his stuff to, yeah, his heart condition thing to the kid. And she's like, you have no reason to think that it would, it wasn't hereditary or whatever, so you should be good. So that's interesting, yeah. And she says, you know, they can provide their sample today because of Ann's ovulation schedule, unless there's another reason that they wanna wait another month. And then this is where it gets kinda awkward, and they're like, I don't know, maybe.

Madi (16:25.772)
His heart condition, yeah.

Madi (16:37.238)
Yeah, which is great. Yeah.

Madi (16:51.468)
Yeah. I mean, it's just big, right? Like, I think about it, you've emotionally prepared, like said, yes, we are going to have a baby. But then to say like today, you know, like, yeah, I think even when you are emotionally prepared to be a parent, it's still scary the moment that you're like, my gosh, I'm actually going to be a parent. And the fact that they could do something today and find out in the next couple of weeks that they're pregnant, like that's, it's just so much.

Holly Constant (17:00.419)
Right. It sprung on you.

Holly Constant (17:07.706)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (17:13.305)
Right.

Yeah.

Madi (17:21.078)
And the fact that they didn't go into the meeting thinking that was a possibility also is, yeah. But Emily's character is just so, but like matter of fact, like let's get going. So, yeah.

Holly Constant (17:31.587)
Yeah, like we're here, you know? I think I have notes on that later on where they actually are providing the sample. So I'll get there when we get there. But anyway, OK, so now back at City Hall, Leslie's sad because she was like, I'm only over here thinking about myself. And she didn't stop to think about Jerry. And poor Ben, I mean, he's just like, my god, can we please just have one day off? I love throughout the whole episode Adam Scott's face, especially when

Jerry is like in the office with them. He's just like covering his face and is just like staring at Jerry of like, can this please be over?

Madi (18:02.784)
Yes, I have that note.

Madi (18:09.132)
Yeah, I mean, because if you're Ben, this is a day that you took off, like, I don't know about you, but I look at PTO day as like sacred. Like I'm not gonna waste a PTO. Yeah, like if I end up getting emails in the morning on a PTO day, like I end up just getting my computer out and working the entire rest of the day, cause I'm like, it's basically wasted now. My head's already been in work. And I think he,

Holly Constant (18:21.389)
Yeah, totally. Especially when you don't get that many.

Holly Constant (18:34.628)
Right, right.

Madi (18:39.296)
He's just like, I wanted to be with my wife today. And I think in his head, the way I'm viewing it from his perspective is Leslie didn't make me a priority today. And my intention was to make her a priority, like our relationship. And that just didn't end up being important to her. And that's like, I think that's how I would view it if I was in the situation. Like we took this day to be together and not that she cares more about Jerry, right? But.

Holly Constant (18:42.094)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (18:51.675)
Yeah.

interesting.

Madi (19:08.056)
that this other thing popped up in front of her and she's like, ooh, shiny, we're going to do that instead. yeah, it feels like he just gets pushed on the back burner.

Holly Constant (19:18.363)
Yeah, well, I mean, now Leslie is going through Jerry's file and it's like, this part is really funny too, where he's going, the file doesn't really have much. It's a handicap parking from when he got gout, the sticker for handicap parking, a Park City golf cart driving exam, which he failed, a bad performance review from her. She was like, who would write such a thing? I stand by it.

Madi (19:36.034)
Failed.

Madi (19:40.364)
Yeah, I stand by this.

Holly Constant (19:45.099)
And apparently at the beginning of his time at City Hall, he had dreams and goals. Like he wrote down that he wanted to meet the mayor. He wanted to have a building named after him. And to be honest, that's a stretch even for like really accomplished people. So that seems like something that he just said because he was really young.

Madi (19:56.568)
Yeah.

Yeah, right. He didn't know what it took to get your name on a building. Yeah.

Holly Constant (20:02.489)
Right, but I do love, I mean this is where she does prioritize him because he says mac and cheese pizza and she's just like, you made that and starts making out with him and it's very precious. Love that. Well now April says that torturing Jerry was one of her favorite things in the world to do so they're all sad that there's no Jerry anymore, no one left to be mean to which is like a weird thing in and of itself.

Madi (20:11.084)
Yeah, yeah, it is, it is.

Madi (20:26.296)
Mm-hmm, yeah.

Holly Constant (20:28.827)
But then Ron says, don't worry, like they'll be another Jerry. When one Jerry leaves the office naturally selects another one to make fun of. So now everyone is worried about who will become the new Jerry. And it's making everybody paranoid and everybody's like, my God, who's gonna be the new person to fuck up and be made fun of, which is really sad to be honest.

Madi (20:40.291)
Right.

Madi (20:50.294)
It is, like why do we need to do that?

Holly Constant (20:52.411)
I know! my gosh. Okay, so now we're back at the fertility thing clinic. And I don't love that we skim over the next part of this whole like Anne's transition to another position so it's not a conflict of interest. I do love that they're putting that in there so that it's like a nice detail. I like that, but I don't really understand what happened with that either. Again, everything feeling rushed again.

Madi (20:54.773)
Ugh, it's so sad.

Madi (21:07.373)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Madi (21:17.782)
Yeah.

Again, yeah, they're just trying to rush it along. The only logical thing in my head was that what they would have done was that they had already started the process, but they didn't know they were gonna do this today. So she was calling to get confirmation that it had cleared or, but we've never talked about this before.

Holly Constant (21:34.455)
Yeah, totally. Yeah. And it needs to happen. Right, exactly, exactly. Because it absolutely needs to happen. The conflict of interest is real. But I guess the skimming over it was just like, I felt slapped a little. was like, not slapped, like whiplash, like where'd that come from? know what mean? Anyway, so now she's an employee of the county health board. And I'm guessing that this is city.

Madi (21:42.401)
Absolutely.

Madi (21:47.798)
Yeah. Wait, what? Right. Yeah.

Holly Constant (22:00.027)
It's like city and county are separate. I'm reading too deep into it, but like that would make sense to me. so anyway, I will say this is the first time I laughed out. The next thing is the first time I laughed out loud in the episode where the guys like nurse gives the Chris, the cup to put his sample in. And he says, if you fill it up all the way, you get on the board. And there's a picture of Harris with his thumbs up. Just so matter of fact, Harris made me laugh out loud with that, like, just like little kid expression.

Madi (22:04.878)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (22:20.534)
Yes. Ugh.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. my gosh, like he's so proud.

Holly Constant (22:31.451)
was so funny and I think the thing that really made me laugh too was current champion underneath. Like if you wanna beat it, this is the current one. It's just so many things to say with those two words. It's so funny to me. my God. Right, exactly.

Madi (22:36.046)
heard it yet.

Madi (22:40.523)
Right.

Madi (22:44.12)
Yeah.

Yeah, it says so much with so little.

Holly Constant (22:51.771)
This nurse person is played by Mike Nojohn Park, by the way. He doesn't have any information really on his IMDB as far as contact info, but he was in St. Dennis Medical, which is the new Peacock show. It's so good. Have you watched that yet? my gosh. You will love it. It's the same mockumentary and style. It's so good. my gosh. That Abbott Elementary and Will Trent are keeping my faith in network TV, to be honest with you. It's so good.

Madi (23:05.196)
I haven't, but I've seen clips of it and it looks funny.

Madi (23:15.896)
Nice, okay, good to know.

Holly Constant (23:19.323)
And then General Hospital, was also in Space Force, Will and Grace, was also in. Side note, really funny, the name they gave him on IMDB was Donnie Cumtembler. Like, Cumtembler.

Madi (23:32.302)
my gosh. Lord, there's a reason they didn't say that in the show.

Holly Constant (23:38.453)
Like Mike, sure. Mike. my God, hilarious. But anyway, okay, this is where I think I had my notes on the Anne and Chris thing because it's awkward because Chris is like, I'm gonna go in there and like provide my sample. You're gonna be out here pretending not to think about what I'm doing in there and I'm gonna try not to think about you while I'm in there. But like, should I think about?

Madi (23:41.629)
my gosh, that's so funny.

Madi (24:01.57)
He also called her his Fallopian princess, which makes me want to throw up in my mouth a little bit.

Holly Constant (24:06.767)
Really? I thought that was cute.

Madi (24:11.246)
is like we couldn't have gone with baby mama.

Holly Constant (24:14.427)
See, that seems cheap to me.

Madi (24:16.686)
I guess just more. Absolutely. LOL. my gosh. I was, I don't know what it is about the word fallopian that I was just like, maybe, but Anne probably appreciated it being a nurse. Yeah. It works. Yeah. Yeah. But this is so awkward. I'm so with you. Like you can tell they're not ready to do it today and I'm glad they come to that.

Holly Constant (24:19.343)
Look, different strokes for different folks, pun intended. LOL, my god.

Holly Constant (24:29.403)
Maybe it's too medical. I don't know Yeah, I don't know she probably thought it was funky weird too, but I don't know I thought it was funny. my god

Yeah. Totally.

Madi (24:46.114)
conclusion together, but it's just like, you guys.

Holly Constant (24:51.835)
Yeah, well, Anna's like, you know, she can tell that there's like weirdness and awkwardness. So she's like, we don't have to do this today. This was really sprung on us and it doesn't need to happen. But and I get that. mean, like you said before, if they're not prepared, like you never you didn't expect you were just expecting to like make the schedule and like confirm everything was good. And I can see how it would be uncomfortable. But I do feel like and I've never been in this position before, so I could be absolutely speaking out of turn.

Madi (24:55.608)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (25:18.875)
And I would love to be corrected if that's true. But I feel like people that really want a baby and have been trying to have a baby, like Anne says that she has for a very long time, I feel like it'd be weird and crazy. But in my, and I feel like in the back of my head, I'd be like, let's fucking go. Like, let's get started. let's, I mean, I know this is weird, but like, what are we gonna do within the timeframe that we're waiting? You know what I mean? And

Madi (25:37.463)
Yeah.

Madi (25:47.224)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (25:48.867)
I know that she, and again, it's totally a personal choice. And a part of this also makes me feel like maybe this comes back to them too, as the people that are being parents, because maybe if I had a partner that like, we've been wanting this for a long time, and we've been going through this process for maybe longer than they have, maybe there would have been a little bit more of an urgency to it or something. But it just felt a little awkward to me that Anne was like, no, nevermind.

Madi (26:12.44)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (26:17.942)
Yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (26:18.179)
I think. Even though I totally understand like, wow, this was like today, today?

Madi (26:23.566)
sprung on them. Yeah. I think I agree with you to the point of, of it's them, right? I think you're right. If it was a couple that has been married, like, and every couple is going to be different, but a couple that's been together, they are, they've been talking about having a kid for years. They've been trying for two years. They're finally like told today we can, we can do it. They would jump on it. They'd be like, this has been our dream for so long. Cause you do hit a point where you

are so you've tried so hard, you're so just desperate, it's like the wrong word. But you know, you're so ready, because you're so like determined, like, this is what I want. And we've been trying for so long. For me, like, it's been in Anne's head for since she babysat Diane's kids. And not to say that she doesn't want it as much as someone who's been trying, but I think there's like a there's just a difference to me in in their situations.

Holly Constant (26:57.76)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Holly Constant (27:11.483)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (27:19.203)
Yeah. For me, it's different for Chris because Chris only said yes like two episodes ago or three episodes ago or whatever. For Anne, if we're to believe what the writers say, even if we disagree, if we're to believe Anne has been wanting this for some time before the babysitting thing. In my head.

Madi (27:25.932)
Very true. Very true.

Madi (27:37.965)
Okay.

Holly Constant (27:40.343)
That's I mean again, that's like I'm sure that solidified some shit, but the episode after she babysits them She's like I've been wanting to be a mom for a long time and if we're to believe that That's where I kind of get stuck. But Chris is the one that's doing the sampling if you will so so maybe Maybe that's different. I will say if it was like

Madi (27:57.539)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (28:04.571)
Again, this is getting too deep again. But maybe if it was like Anne's side where Anne had to like go into some sort of procedure, I could maybe see like, need to get prepped for that because that's a whole like, you know, procedure, surgery thing. You know what I mean?

Madi (28:14.168)
Yeah.

Madi (28:19.98)
Yeah, you gotta be in the right head space for that.

Holly Constant (28:22.011)
100%. So I guess, I think they, but I think that that's probably the point where it's the whole vibe of their, their energies together and them being like, how many weeks have we been maybe thinking about this kind of thing as opposed to years? Well, on his end and them together. So I guess, yeah, I don't know. The whole thing is weird, but I guess it does make sense. And I see why they did it because like I said, it's everybody's journey. Everyone gets to decide that, but.

Madi (28:35.406)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (28:51.515)
Take a beat is probably a good idea just to think about when they want to do it. And I guess that also gives them the time, maybe that's why the writers did it, I don't know. I guess that also gives them the time to think, I am attracted to you, maybe we can actually have sexual relations and not need to do this. So from a writer's standpoint, that does make sense later on.

Madi (29:08.044)
Yeah, and not.

Madi (29:14.434)
Yeah, definitely from a writer's standpoint, it makes sense. And I agree with you. I think it does look more like, not that Anne's not freaked out, but it does look like Chris is more uncomfortable with the urgency of it. Yeah.

Holly Constant (29:27.385)
Yeah, yeah, because he's the one that's like doing the thing. I don't know, he doesn't seem like the type of person to use a porn like DVD to keep it so I don't know.

Madi (29:30.988)
Yeah. Yeah.

No, he doesn't.

I mean, honestly, it sounds like he can turn himself on.

Holly Constant (29:42.487)
Right and yeah, totally but also I think that awkwardness of which is what we just talked about I guess but like that awkwardness of like should I be thinking about you like that's a whole other thing to explore so maybe it's not only the You know the sample part of it. Maybe it's also the part of it where they're like wait Are we like into each other now kind of thing subtly or should I be into you if I do this? You know what mean? So I guess that's like a whole lot another awkward layer

Madi (29:51.884)
Hmm. Yeah.

Madi (30:02.158)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's a lot to unpackage here.

Holly Constant (30:11.835)
Totally. Oh my God. Anyways, then this is the thing that we talked about in the last time you and I did the podcast together where she throws the cup and I was like, no, hate it. I hate this so much. I think it's like you already had the awkward moment. Let's wrap it up in a nice way. Like it's not, I'm sorry. It's just, it's not funny to me. I guess it's all opinion-based. It could be, it's probably funny to other people. But to me, after they just had this kind of deep moment,

Madi (30:30.659)
Yeah.

Madi (30:38.179)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (30:40.707)
I'm just, not deep, like funny deep moment.

Madi (30:42.772)
But they came, yeah, they came to a conclusion together. They had to talk about this like, this is personal.

Holly Constant (30:47.681)
And this line that they, I don't know, this line that they give her of like, feels wrong to leave it here. Why, Anne? It's wrapped up in plastic. Why does it feel wrong to leave it here? You're a nurse, bitch. I don't think, I just feel, I'm sorry. I think they did Anne dirty in a lot of these, a lot of these fertility moments they did her dirty. Rashida does a great job and makes you love Anne. But I just, I don't think it's, it's not, it doesn't have a flow.

Madi (30:54.956)
Yeah.

Madi (31:06.061)
little moments.

Holly Constant (31:17.445)
to me.

Madi (31:17.71)
Yeah, yeah, I don't know why we couldn't have just handed it back to the dude and been like, we're gonna come back.

Holly Constant (31:26.733)
Maybe like throw put it on the cat on the counter and then run away. Okay. You know.

Madi (31:31.04)
Yeah. Yeah. Well, because then he throws the porn.

Holly Constant (31:35.819)
Yeah, I don't know. It's very strange. And I talked about this in the last episode. I think it was the last episode or the one before that, where I loved seeing Anne as a nurse again when Ron gets sick from the girls. And I loved seeing Anne be like, shut up, Ron, I'm fucking taking care of you and you need to eat a goddamn banana and shut up. I loved seeing her be the no nonsense nurse again. It was so perfect because that's to me, that's Anne. That is the core.

Madi (31:48.685)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (31:53.368)
Yeah.

Madi (31:59.501)
Yeah.

Madi (32:03.298)
That is in. Yep.

Holly Constant (32:04.821)
of her personality and her character. And I just loved it. I loved it so much. And so I think that's where sometimes I'm just like, I know we all have that moment where we're not always on top of our game. We're not always no nonsense, like shut up, I hate you kind of vibes, or making our boundaries. But I feel like it just went too far in the other direction in a lot of ways. So yeah.

Madi (32:18.285)
Yeah.

Madi (32:25.726)
I think even outside of the no-nonsense, she's rational. She's always the steady, logical, and this is not a rational response to what's going on, throwing something and running. So I think that's a good call out. That's who she is and we're kind of losing that a little bit.

Holly Constant (32:30.234)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (32:38.991)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (32:45.409)
Yeah. And I guess, mean, I don't know, maybe it's just like indicative of how like messed up and like confusing this all is, you know? Like she's just a little loopy, frazzled is the word. Yeah, she's just a little like, my God, this is happening. You know what I mean? Like even though I've wanted it so much, it's actually occurring. This is crazy, you know? So I can see that part of it for sure.

Madi (32:56.908)
Yeah.

Frazzled. Yeah.

Madi (33:04.707)
Yeah.

Madi (33:11.436)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (33:14.191)
So anyway, I just needed to have that little tangent. Thank you for listening. Okay. All right. So let's see. Then back at City Hall, Tom says this like awkward thing, which might make him the new Jerry, the Pilo-filo. I made two Pilo-files. And it's not even honestly that far off from what he means to say. Like he just left off the S's, right? Like piles of files.

Madi (33:16.63)
Yes, validated.

Madi (33:31.118)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (33:38.614)
No.

Holly Constant (33:43.439)
He just said pile of file.

Madi (33:45.582)
pile a file. Yeah, that's what it sounds like. But then he keeps trying to fix it.

Holly Constant (33:47.299)
I just made two piles of files. Right. Exactly. Which is where it gets messed up.

Madi (33:54.722)
Yeah, yeah, he just keeps digging that hole.

Holly Constant (33:58.683)
my gosh, also side note, when he says that he has his little talking head of like, guess I'll just be the new Jerry listening to Bonnie Raitt and the DaVinci Code on my iPod or whatever. That doesn't sound bad to me at all.

Madi (34:12.055)
No.

Madi (34:15.384)
But Tom is a species of, don't see him listening to Bonnie, right?

Holly Constant (34:21.507)
I know, he's wanting to be in the Clurbs and do the nightlife entrepreneur thing. Which side note, this is really funny. I thought I was gonna see this on the IMDB trivia or something, but I watch Scrubs. And Aziz Ansari is a guest star in the later seasons of Scrubs, and he's playing an intern. And his character is like this, it's really funny actually, it's kind of.

Madi (34:24.151)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (34:43.589)
Tom energy where his character is very lazy and doesn't want to study and is just kind of goofing off a lot of the times or not paying attention. He's still very smart, but he's just not paying attention. And he's listening as an intern, like on their rounds in the hospital, he's listening to the DaVinci code on his iPod.

Madi (35:01.892)
crazy callback, that's cool.

Holly Constant (35:03.511)
And I know, I guess it was just like, I don't know. It must've just been like within that five year span or whatever the hell. Like I didn't look up when Scrubs was on versus Parks, but it's just like, I know that Avinci Code was huge. Not only the book, but the movie was then very huge too at the time. So it's just really hilarious to me that that actually happened and my gosh, anyway.

Madi (35:16.61)
Yeah.

Madi (35:25.164)
Yeah, that's so funny. I wonder which one came first, which episode came first.

Holly Constant (35:29.371)
I know, I'll have to look it up. Okay, secondly, this is like not a soapbox, but I think this is just an opinion. I just hate bullying so much and I just feel like maybe it's time the office stops, like tries to pick a person to bully because it's so stupid and it just shows how insecure everyone else is, which like I understand that that's like the point of it in a lot of ways, but it just makes me sad and mad and glad that Jerry is leaving honestly, because I'm like Jerry doesn't deserve.

Madi (35:46.2)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (35:58.359)
And I just got in my feels about this because I was just like, do we have to bully somebody? Like, get out of here. I know it's a show. I know it's not real, but it just made me feel things.

Madi (35:58.39)
No, he doesn't.

Madi (36:03.597)
Yeah.

Madi (36:08.814)
I know. I am right there with you. I don't think anybody should walk into work. You spend the most hours at work, right? More than at home and all that. So why do you get to walk into work feeling like, how are they going to make me feel bad about myself today? I mean, know we've both lived it going to school. How bad am I going to feel when I leave school today? You don't want somebody... We are adults, people. Why are we doing this to each other?

Holly Constant (36:15.899)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (36:28.442)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (36:31.886)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Madi (36:38.39)
And Toby get, sorry, I was just gonna say Toby gets bullied in the office, but it's only Michael, right? The rest of the office, like Kelly talks to him all the time, Pam and Jim are nice, like everybody else is nice to him. It's just Michael. Like that I probably, I still don't agree with, but I could still swallow better than everybody attacked Jerry, you know?

Holly Constant (36:38.563)
And like Josh and around, go ahead.

Holly Constant (36:49.135)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (36:58.401)
Yeah. Right. Right. And I feel like joking around or joshing around and like is different, but it's that whole stupid thing. Not stupid. It's not stupid at all. But it's that whole thing that you're taught. It's like there's a difference between laughing at someone than laughing with someone. And I know even that's like a stretch sometimes because whatever. But anyway, so yeah, I was just like.

Madi (37:13.517)
with them.

Holly Constant (37:23.163)
It And you're right though, we'll get to it, but you're right. Like sometimes the difference between joshing around with someone is also laughing at yourself, especially the pile of file things. Like that could have easily been laughed off, I feel, but I think that paranoia just gets so in your head that you're like, my God, this is really bad, you know? But anyway.

Madi (37:24.416)
Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (37:32.408)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (37:36.174)
Yeah.

Madi (37:42.614)
Yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (37:46.703)
Okay, so now Leslie is meeting with Jerry and showing him all the dreams he had when he was young and Ben's face, this is where I again was like, my God, he's so over it. And then Leslie's like, okay, well, we're not gonna let you leave here or retire until we accomplish all the things. The first was to eat at the city council private dining room. That's kind of nice, I guess. And like easy enough, well, you'd think. I know.

Madi (38:06.595)
Yeah.

Madi (38:09.966)
It should have been easy enough, right? Why not just have him come back in on a Wednesday to eat with you?

Holly Constant (38:15.607)
Yeah, I know, I was thinking that too. Does it have to be today? But I guess in Leslie's head it's, yeah. I don't know, I guess in Leslie's head it's like if it's not done today, it's like not wrapped up for your retirement, but I'm just like, it can be done.

Madi (38:17.848)
Yeah, right. Like he lives close enough.

Madi (38:29.418)
Yeah, and that's very Leslie, right? Like, if we took a step back, I think if we had Anne there to help her, you know, they always balance each other out. I feel like we could have taken a step back and said, what would be cooler would be a retirement party next Friday that you plan. And maybe we plan it in the lunchroom. So his party's in the, you know, like

Holly Constant (38:40.315)
Mm-mm.

Holly Constant (38:46.349)
Yeah!

Totally!

Holly Constant (38:54.799)
Great idea. Or even in the conference rooms I named after him, Like, you know. my gosh. Well.

Madi (38:58.656)
Yeah. Yeah. It's probably more realistic, but still like that could have still been really nice and still Leslie level effort without her ruining her day off and without feeling so last minute. Cause I know Jerry's a very grateful, very like positive person, but if I was Jerry and this is happening, I'd literally be sitting there like, you didn't play on this. Like you're just, you're just throwing this together right now.

Holly Constant (39:08.891)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (39:17.147)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (39:21.519)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, totally. Yeah. I guess for Jerry, he just is like, this is really nice. Anyway, you know? Well, so they go to the executive dining room and there's a guard there saying guests are only allowed in on Wednesdays, as you say, which I feel is weird. Like, why? Why can't they just come in any time? Also, why is there a guard for that?

Madi (39:30.382)
and the other care. Yeah. Yeah.

Madi (39:41.656)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. This is.

Holly Constant (39:48.763)
Who's bar, like, it does remind me though of, I love this guard, and it does remind me of the guard in Ted party day when what's his face is like, your jackbooted storm troopers are gonna be rampaging my house. And he's like, you mean the Pawnee police department? Good day to you today.

Madi (40:06.816)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (40:11.705)
And so it's probably similar to that, but I just thought that was so funny. And then, you know, to that point of Leslie wanting security levels, so she just like made up a security level. my God. I love this. But shouldn't we though? Yeah, totally. I love this guard though saying like the way she says, his dream, really?

Madi (40:13.613)
Yeah.

Madi (40:20.278)
Yeah, my gosh, that cracks me up. We don't have them, but shouldn't we?

Madi (40:33.261)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (40:36.911)
But exciting news, this guard is played by Julie Brister and she looked so familiar to me and I don't really know why I looked up, I must have seen her on something that she's done on IMDB. She was in the Mindy Project, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, she's a UCB gal. She was just in something called Motion Detected, like a lot of upcoming projects and she was super great. But very exciting that she sent in a voice memo. So let's go ahead and listen to Julie.

Madi (40:51.0)
Nice.

Madi (40:59.084)
Yay!

Holly Constant (43:14.491)
St. Dennis Medical? Okay, I was just talking about that. Okay, I can't wait to see her and what she's gonna be playing. Oh my god, so fun. Okay. I did not know that she was a teacher or a student of Amy Poehler's. I knew she was a UCB person as I said before, but I didn't know it was Amy Poehler. That's so cool!

Madi (43:14.872)
Cool.

Yeah, seriously. Nice. Very cool.

Madi (43:27.222)
Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah, so she got to, you know, she got to see Amy like out of the out of the film world and and you know, really get that I mean, I feel like we get the authentic Amy anyway. But like she got her on that like one on one. Like vibe. So cool.

Holly Constant (43:43.312)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (43:47.235)
Yeah. Yeah. And from so many people, it sounds like she brought the same energy she brought to teaching and whatnot to the set and creating this amazing environment. that's so nice to hear. my gosh, so beautiful. And I think, I mean, I don't think that every guest star has told us when exactly they shot, but most guest stars that do say what time they were called to set, they always say, like, took maybe an hour or two. It was a well-oiled machine and they shot it like...

Madi (43:59.243)
Yeah.

Madi (44:13.56)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (44:15.865)
you know, anywhere from 2 p.m. and before. So to be there at 9 p.m. for not even, it wasn't even like a nighttime shoot. Most of the time when you hear night shoot, it's because they're outside and they need it to be dark. But I guess they were just like maybe running behind or maybe not even running behind. That was just the schedule for the week. I don't know. But that's really cool to hear. And yeah, mean, yeah, tensions can get high, I feel on on sets, especially when it's that late at night. And if you've been working for a very long time. So to have the

Madi (44:18.307)
Right.

Madi (44:25.005)
outside.

Madi (44:42.722)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (44:45.655)
like niceness and the kindness coming from all the people even though they're tired and frustrated and everything that's really cool to hear you know because it takes effort i think to be nice like on a set you know after you've been working for really hard so for a really long time

Madi (44:53.942)
Yeah, absolutely.

Madi (45:02.284)
Yeah. I mean, and it's not because even because you're becoming a mean person, it's just you're exhausted and you want to go home and you're hungry and you know, we all can hit that point where, yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (45:08.621)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (45:12.335)
Yeah, energy is zapped. And then, okay, I'm trying to think. So the puppy party lady, was that at the Pawnee Goddesses, I'm guessing? The one that drove the van up with all the puppies? You think that's the girl? Okay. Which was a while back. So that's really... No. The Pawnee Goddesses? No, that was like season two or three. Ya-ha!

Madi (45:24.13)
That's what I was thinking, yeah. It would have to be that one, yeah.

Yeah, it was this season though, right?

Madi (45:36.236)
Yeah, I thought it... No way. Hold on.

Holly Constant (45:40.719)
I don't think it was season five because it was before she was a city council member, right?

Madi (45:46.04)
don't know. Season four, episode four. Okay. So I'm wrong, but it, yeah. Yeah, I didn't, I thought it was, I thought she was like at least running.

Holly Constant (45:49.381)
Okay.

It wasn't, yeah, that far back.

Holly Constant (45:58.971)
Oh, maybe she was, I don't know. But either way, yeah, was definitely before because she was mad at Ron. I just remember that because she was in the office way more. You know what I mean? But anyway, so yeah, that's awesome because I feel like most, I just don't hear that all the time where casting directors will be like, I had auditioned for this one thing and they just called me back in for this other thing. So that's really wonderful. Anyway.

Madi (46:08.802)
Yeah.

Madi (46:26.732)
Yeah, love that.

Holly Constant (46:28.399)
I'm glad you, I'm glad Julie booked something. She was great as the guard, so I can't wait to see her in St. Dennis Medical. Okay, I'll make sure that I tag her and everything in the show notes so you guys can follow her. And thank you so much for sending that in. So fun! my gosh! Amazing.

Madi (46:43.63)
Yeah. Thank you.

Holly Constant (46:46.231)
Okay, yes. So Leslie goes in because she says that she's gonna take like a photoshopped photo of her having her arm around Jerry or whatever and Ben is like, my God, are you fucking kidding me? His face the whole time is just like, this is so stupid. And.

Madi (47:02.07)
I know. In the office, like you said too, he's just like, why am I here?

Holly Constant (47:05.901)
Yeah. I do love that. do. mean, well, love is probably not really the word, but it's nice, I guess, that he's just like going along with it. I feel like he's truly married now. He's just like. Because he's just like, OK, I guess this is what I have to do today for my wife.

Madi (47:19.32)
For real. I know.

Madi (47:25.324)
Yeah. I know like true, true effort. Cause he could say, okay, cool. You do this. I'm going to go home and I'll see you there. But no, he's like, I'm still getting time with her.

Holly Constant (47:31.173)
He could have been so mad. Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's just like, think honestly, in his head, he's just like, okay, if this is what I have to do to get this the fuck over, then we're gonna do this. But anyway, so next Tom thinks Andy should be the new Jerry, but Andy doesn't get embarrassed. He's just a puppy dog. he, which is a good lesson, honestly, kind of what we talked about before. If you don't care, no one else really well either. You know what I mean?

Madi (48:00.054)
Yeah, yeah, easier said than done. But Andy's a Andy is a great, great example that he's like, I mess up all the time. So he just laughs at it laughs it off.

Holly Constant (48:02.639)
Totally.

Holly Constant (48:07.387)
Mm-hmm.

And I think half the time he doesn't even know that he's messing up, which helps probably. Because there's no shame if you don't know what to be ashamed of.

Madi (48:12.888)
for real. Yeah.

Madi (48:17.889)
Yeah, blissfully ignorant is what he is.

Holly Constant (48:21.401)
Absolutely. I wrote here that I really love Donna's outfit too. I love all the wardrobe in this episode. Kirsten Mann, well done.

Madi (48:28.576)
Yeah. She, Donna's also eating. I said her shirt is loud is what I said. And I love it. And she's eating sushi.

Holly Constant (48:36.557)
Yeah. Yeah, I saw that too. With like soda.

Madi (48:40.256)
Like, yeah, of course, yeah, that is interesting. I did clock that it was soda, but I did not put together that that's a weird drink to have with sushi. Yeah, yeah, but.

Holly Constant (48:49.381)
Ha ha!

So funny. Anyhow. Next Jerry goal is to meet Mayor Knudsen and he's dead so they're at the graveyard because you know he passed away and he was I love that his little thing says his stone says gifted dog racer as well. Hell's like my gosh this is what a funny little detail and I do love.

Madi (49:10.157)
Yikes.

Yeah.

Holly Constant (49:15.083)
how matter of fact Leslie is because Ben is like, this is before Ben's time. So Ben's like, you know, was he a good, really good mayor or something? And she's like, no, he was really corrupt and racketeering and then he died from pills, but really he was thrown up a helicopter while handcuffed. This history lesson is wild. Like some people think he's still alive, but that cause they never found the body, but she's just so matter of fact, like, but they never found the body because he exploded on impact. Like this story I can imagine just

Madi (49:31.949)
Yeah.

Madi (49:37.688)
Yeah, this is normal to her. Yeah.

Holly Constant (49:43.289)
circulating. And I have to say, I really relate to these little small town like stories because my mom will tell me random stories about people like my sister, I think I've said this maybe before on the podcast before, but my sister, my brother-in-law and I always joke around because when we're visiting home, we'll drive on these back roads and she'll like point at a house and she'd be like, yeah, that's where so and so died or that's where so and so like, and then she'll say some crazy thing. Totally like Leslie here, like.

Just matter of fact, that's just what happened. And we're all just like, what the fuck?

Madi (50:16.397)
What?

Madi (50:20.812)
I love it.

Holly Constant (50:20.865)
It's just so crazy because when you've lived in a town your entire life, it's like, course you're going to know all the things that have happened. You know?

Madi (50:26.37)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like almost everybody knows almost everybody else and weird things happen. Yep. All the things. I have a side thing because we're talking about your hometown, Fredericksburg. And I didn't know this. I knew my dad went to visit because I guess one of his friends lives there now, like back before Killy was born. Well, I just found out that Killy has this little stuffed cow. My dad bought it there.

Holly Constant (50:32.921)
Yeah, scandals,

Yeah.

Holly Constant (50:47.476)
huh.

Holly Constant (50:54.938)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (50:57.158)
And I know, I tell Killy, yeah, I told him that. said, your Aunt Holly's in this stuffed cow for you because it's where she's from. Yeah, and he loves it. He looks at it he goes, moo. So I don't know, he said it was a little like boutique shop. Yeah.

Holly Constant (50:57.467)
You have a piece of me!

Holly Constant (51:06.347)
That is so funny! my gosh. my gosh. Where did he get that from? Do you know?

Okay, there's like an old town that they have like antique shops and boutiques and whatever random places. So that's so funny.

Madi (51:25.034)
Yeah, I'll have to find out. I think he remembered the name and I just don't remember what he told me. So if I find out, I'll let you know. Because yeah, it's like it's from your papa. I mean, really, this is where Aunt Holly's from. Your cow is from where Aunt Holly's from. So cool.

Holly Constant (51:29.987)
Yeah, that is hilarious.

Holly Constant (51:37.923)
My spirit. That's hilarious. my God. That's so funny too that your dad went there.

Madi (51:43.416)
Yeah. And kind of random, right? Like, yeah, he's like, yeah, I got it in French experience. I was like, Virginia? He's like, yeah, I'm like, that's where Holly's from. Yeah. So I know it was meant to be though. Yeah. Yes.

Holly Constant (51:54.683)
That's so cute! Wow, what a small world. Yeah, totally. Wow, universe. Okay, well, that's fun. I love that. No, I need to know that! my god, I love that so much. Okay, good to know. Well, Jerry is now talking to the headstone like, I'm sorry those Serbian monsters pushed you out of that helicopter. my god.

Madi (52:07.393)
Sorry to derail, but I thought that was a cute fun fact.

Holly Constant (52:22.275)
And then Ben, I think this is finally where Ben is like, okay, look, we're done, right? Like we did all the things, can we please enjoy our day off together? And Leslie gets very dramatic as usual and is super serious when she's like, well, in a few years we'll be visiting Jerry here and he will achieve nothing, achieve nothing, is that what you want? And he's like, no, of course not. I know!

Madi (52:39.544)
Why does she have to put it like that? Like there's no, the only right answer to that is no. So just, I feel so bad for Ben.

Holly Constant (52:47.225)
Yeah. my gosh. So next up, Tom is talking to Ron and Tom asks if they can hire someone new to be the new Jerry. Although he doesn't say that. He just says like they should get an intern. It's like a Jerry. You don't have to pay, which is very appealing to Ron. Great selling point.

Madi (53:00.696)
Yeah.

Madi (53:04.076)
Love that. Yeah. he went in prepared. The business man in him is going strong right now.

Holly Constant (53:10.011)
100%.

Yes, 100%. And let's see here. So now Ann and Chris are reading the pamphlets about fertility and everything at Ann's house. And this moment when they realize that they are attracted to each other and they might want to like take to the next step and everything. I feel like that this part was cute. I was into this part. I was like, I don't know. just, I don't know. just, I,

How do I explain this? I feel like I was wanting to reject the part of me that wanted this part to happen first because I know that there's so many different ways that maybe aren't conventional to have a baby. So I didn't want it to be like, well, they need to fall in love first and have an attraction first and then have a baby. I guess I just felt like this was a cute moment that I feel like could have happened naturally and.

Madi (53:55.031)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (54:07.291)
they could have wanted to move away together for other reasons, if that's even why they started the baby conversation. Or maybe it's just because a lot of times the way shows move things forward is for someone to start a family or have a baby or whatever. I don't know, I thought this was cute and I just wish that we had just captured this moment and had it be a little bit longer.

Madi (54:13.24)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (54:31.212)
Yeah, I personally would have liked to see more buildup, chemistry wise, because the first time I watched it, I just kind of was like, wait, what? You guys like each other again? It wasn't like they were flirty together or doing the little side eye things to each other. I didn't get any indication that this is where we were heading. And maybe

Holly Constant (54:37.268)
Mm-hmm. That's true.

Holly Constant (54:46.305)
Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

Madi (55:00.238)
Part of me could be like just in the romanticized version of TV shows and movies where we see all this like lovey-dovey flirting stuff where we're like, those two are gonna get together, you know? And we didn't have that with them and maybe that's okay. Maybe it's more real life that way. But this does, I'm totally with them. Like this feels very clinical. We dated, like we are attracted to each other. We should just do this naturally.

Holly Constant (55:10.725)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (55:16.591)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (55:28.694)
I'm totally on board with all that and I agree, like I think this part is way less awkward, but I could have done with some more buildup.

Holly Constant (55:34.383)
Mm-hmm.

Build up, I hear ya. Yeah, I do like that they were, the fact that they had dated before, I think helped me because that's the whole catalyst of it all is where she's like, well we were actually really good at those activities and then they start thinking about it, then they get the side eye, but again, it's like a side eye that lasts like five seconds.

Madi (55:44.728)
helps.

Madi (56:01.346)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (56:02.427)
So I think that helped me, yeah, and I also do like, guess in the, it's nice to see, I mean, again, like you said, the buildup would have been nice, but it is nice to see them have like this dainty, like flirty moment, I guess. So I guess that helped me just like closure some stuff. I don't know everything, but to your point though.

Madi (56:26.605)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (56:30.147)
Like you're feeling kind of what I'm feeling in other parts of it where it's just like, it feels like whiplash. The whole thing just feels like, wait, what? Where? Who? You put what? And so I think that's kind of the tricky part and how to, I don't know how to handle that. So we just have to accept it for what it is, I guess. I do love that Chris, like when he's running like trips and falls or whatever, that was not supposed to happen. He just fell and then kept going. So that was really funny.

Madi (56:34.37)
Mm-hmm, right. How'd we get here?

Madi (56:45.422)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Madi (56:53.876)
it. Love it. I love that. Did you notice the amount of alcohol bottles on Anne's? I mean, I'm assuming that's what it is. And I totally get it if that's your bar, but there's like poor hand, like nozzles in like seven, yeah. Yeah. And like seven different bottles. And for me, it's like, you usually only have that in the one you're using. It's like, girl.

Holly Constant (57:01.851)
did! Is that like her bar, I'm guessing?

Holly Constant (57:13.205)
really? I didn't see that.

Holly Constant (57:20.549)
That's really funny. I don't remember seeing that in any other party.

Madi (57:23.79)
She's like, yeah, right? I was like, she's like, I'm about to be pregnant and not gonna be able to drink. Like, let's go.

Holly Constant (57:31.595)
Right. Yeah. Let's just get drunk every night. Wild. Yeah. Good. Good call out. Let's see. yeah. When Chris, what did I, yeah. said when Chris says that it goes back to your note when Chris says that thing about it's also weird because we have engaged in those physical activities before I was kind of thinking what you were talking about at the fertility clinic. We're like, why haven't we had this conversation before now? Question mark. Like what we were going to be to each other kind of thing.

Madi (57:34.348)
Yeah.

Madi (57:57.784)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (58:01.739)
and wouldn't that be something like you bring up with the sperm donor situation?

Madi (58:01.88)
Yeah.

Madi (58:06.158)
Yeah, I think you should have that figured out before you even go through the process. And maybe that's something that was giving them pause about doing it today was just, hey, we haven't had some important conversations we need to have. But then again, they could have come to a conclusion of what they were going to be to each other, and then they could have slept together, and then needed to have the same conversation that Anne brings up later.

Holly Constant (58:12.867)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (58:28.356)
Right.

Yeah, because you had mentioned that I think when they were going through the questions at the fertility lady office when like they didn't know what they wanted the kid to be raised as and all this other stuff and you were like we they didn't even talk about that. So yeah, again with the whole whiplash thing, I know we're repeating ourselves, but it's just we're just proving our points. Yeah. So anyhow, OK, moving on, Leslie is like, OK, everyone gather around Jerry and

Madi (58:36.43)
Hmm.

Madi (58:41.614)
Have you not talked about this?

Madi (58:49.516)
Yeah, validation through and through.

Holly Constant (59:00.923)
Jerry is like, well, I told Gala I'd be home. She has a tasty surprise, but it's a meatloaf, not sex.

Madi (59:05.74)
Yeah, everybody else's brains are in the gutter and he's stoked about food. Yeah.

Holly Constant (59:10.029)
I know. Ew, Jerry. I do love that Leslie does name this Parks and Rec conference room after Jerry. It's like the Jerry Gergich Memorial Conference Room. RIP though. God. I do love that it says retire, that she says retire in peace. That's kind of, that's a good, good pivot, Leslie. Although that's tough stuff.

Madi (59:21.398)
Yeah.

Madi (59:25.58)
retire in peace. That was, yeah. Smart thinking, smart thinking. Yeah. Maybe it's because they said memorial. Like the guy making the plaque was like, yeah, he died.

Holly Constant (59:32.36)
my god.

yeah. Right, and since it was a rush job, they said. Yeah. Then they get out a cake, and this is the terrible part. Jerry lights himself on fire. I do love Tom, or not Tom, Donna, just being very nonchalant, like yeah, you're on fire.

Madi (59:40.728)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (59:46.117)
Yeah, where they got that, God knows.

Madi (59:54.06)
Yeah. Yeah. It's not, it's like not surprising to anybody anymore if something goes wrong with Jerry, just because he gets himself in those positions.

Holly Constant (01:00:01.979)
Totally.

my God. So Jim O'Hare actually did this stunt. yeah, they did the whole like flame retardant like thing under his jacket. And it was like really padded. I'd like to go back and see if you can tell. I couldn't tell in the first one. So like, I don't think it really, they did a good job on that. And then Jim O'Hare was saying that like the stunt person told him that he needs to keep his hand like up.

Madi (01:00:08.428)
Wow, good.

Madi (01:00:22.797)
Mm-mm.

Holly Constant (01:00:33.155)
a little bit more instead of down because if it goes down the flame it will travel up and I was like wow I wouldn't have even thought of that so like keep your hand like not up all the way but like you know what I mean just like maybe level and then I guess I I didn't hear about the Tom part I'm sure that was Tom though putting the extinguisher on him and I don't know how many

Madi (01:00:36.846)
yeah. Nope, my hair would have been on fire.

Madi (01:00:44.236)
Yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:00:58.203)
takes they did. They didn't talk about that, if they did multiple takes, that would be insane to like reset and clean everything up. But that's what they do. Yeah.

Madi (01:01:04.748)
he would need different jackets because the jacket's completely done. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:01:09.551)
Burned. Yeah. And then they'd have to mop up all the fire extinguisher shit. Which reminded me, I probably need to get a fire extinguisher for my mom's house. I was like, I don't have a fire extinguisher. Because I'm in an apartment, so we have one in the hallway. But I was like, I wonder if we have one. Because so many people's fire extinguishers, they'll get them like 100 years ago, not knowing that they expire. But anyway, I thought that was really cool. So great work to Jim O'Hare and Tom Araziz for

Madi (01:01:23.853)
Right.

See that's smart

Yeah, they expire.

Madi (01:01:37.304)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:01:38.789)
for making that a thing. think also, because they talked about it, and he also did the stunt for the park safety moment when he falls in the river. He actually fell. Because even for those things, it seems like it's little, but those things, they can actually really hurt you. He could have broken something. And so I think they want to be really careful about the actors doing that. And so I think Jim O'Hare was just like, I would like to do it if you'll let me, essentially. So that's cool to hear.

Madi (01:01:53.432)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Madi (01:02:07.682)
Yeah, very cool.

Holly Constant (01:02:09.659)
But also I just love that after everything is done, Jerry is also nonchalant as Donna. Again, just like knowing that this stuff happens and he's like, gotta go. I told Gail I'd be home by five. Okay, bye. Like what? You were just on fire, you crazy.

Madi (01:02:21.208)
Yep. Like nothing else happened. Yeah. No incident report is filed. Nothing.

Holly Constant (01:02:29.679)
Well, and then they all get mad at Tom because he got fire extinguisher stuff all over the cake. And he's like, classic Pilo, the cake is ruined. And then Andy again, I love this callback. Okay, see you tomorrow, Jeremy.

Madi (01:02:39.16)
Yeah.

Madi (01:02:43.544)
tomorrow.

Holly Constant (01:02:47.156)
Calling him Jeremy was like the literal icing on the cake. That was so fun

Madi (01:02:47.48)
So good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So good.

Holly Constant (01:02:53.179)
Okay, well, this is where we get to our fun part that Leslie decides to go to Jerry's house and say sorry for the day yesterday. And I'm, you sorry I couldn't give you everything you needed. And Jerry is in a Hawaiian t-shirt just having so much fun. It looks like having a great day and he invites her in for breakfast and she's like, no, I just, I just want to give you something. Like just give her this, him the scrapbook. Gail is there, which is very exciting. Love a Gail moment.

Madi (01:03:08.451)
Yeah.

Madi (01:03:17.132)
Yay.

Love that. Has Leslie met Gail? Like in front of us? Because we met her at the Christmas party, but Leslie didn't go to the Christmas party.

Holly Constant (01:03:30.595)
I know! Great question! I don't know if they've met.

Madi (01:03:34.894)
Cause I'm intrigued to, yeah, I think it's, but I think she knows who Leslie is just because, well, she's a council woman, right? And, but also Jerry probably talks a lot about her.

Holly Constant (01:03:41.977)
Yeah. Right, that's a good question too. I don't know, like what else she would have come to. Hmm, doesn't sound like it. But I feel like they should have. man, that's a stumper. I feel like they should have. I don't know. Well, anyway. Okay, so Leslie saying she's not into breakfast foods is a very strange thing to hear, my gosh. She'll say anything to get out of Jerry's like.

Madi (01:03:51.608)
Yeah, interesting.

Madi (01:03:56.47)
Interesting.

Madi (01:04:06.691)
Yep.

Holly Constant (01:04:10.807)
orbit, I feel was so bizarre. And so they insist that she goes in and she's like, I don't know. I feel like she's just so reluctant. It's very sad, but she'll like it. She'll learn.

Madi (01:04:11.971)
Yeah.

Madi (01:04:20.268)
Yeah. Yeah. Which is sad because usually she's so like in everybody's space. So it's interesting to see her not. And Jerry points out her waffle purse, but it's like, you could also point out the fact that she goes to JJ's like on a daily basis. You also know that. You're right.

Holly Constant (01:04:29.07)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:04:38.371)
and literally had waffles at her wedding. Where Jerry was there. my God, so funny. So back at City Hall, they got a new guy intern and Donna's hitting on him. my gosh, I love that he calls her Miss Meagle. Like work just started. Yeah, but our work is just beginning.

Madi (01:04:43.182)
Right?

Yeah.

Madi (01:04:55.694)
Yeah.

You know, this is the shirt that's loud. Sorry. I made a note here, but I thought it was the shirt from the first day, but it's the shirt, the green and it almost looks like a Jamaican flag.

Holly Constant (01:05:01.627)
okay.

Holly Constant (01:05:07.663)
before. Got it. I need to go back and watch it. I can't picture it right now. But that's so funny. my God, I love that. Okay, so Tom is upset because this guy is cute. He's a jock according to April. Like Tom was not expecting someone cool to be the new Jerry. And he's also a philanthropist because he ran a homeless shelter.

Madi (01:05:16.738)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:05:32.911)
He talks about how he doesn't wanna be married because there's so much love to give and Andy wants him to marry. Yeah, he gets it. Andy wants him to marry him in April. It's just like, he's just getting along with everybody. Totally the opposite of what a Jerry would be. So Tom is really upset. And side note, this intern is played by Ryan Dorsey. He's been a lot of stuff. He's like a huge star right now. I personally haven't watched most of these shows just because they're very like scary to me.

Madi (01:05:38.04)
He gets it.

Yeah.

Madi (01:05:47.971)
Right.

Holly Constant (01:06:02.765)
Not scary, just like, thrillery. There's this one called Big Sky. I don't know if that's on anymore, but it was like a, I think it was like an apocalyptic type of vibe, but not, I don't know, whatever. You guys that are listening, maybe you can help me. But anyway, Big Sky, Yellowstone, which is not scary, just stressful at a lot of times. Justified, Ray Donovan, Tracker, Magnum PI, like they were big shows. And he was on the TV show Nashville, which is really fun. But those shows, apart from Nashville, I feel are just really stressful to me.

Madi (01:06:12.098)
Hmm.

Madi (01:06:19.33)
Yeah.

Madi (01:06:24.515)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:06:31.867)
But.

Madi (01:06:33.334)
I really like the Jack Ryan type of shows, but I go through them so fast. And you're right, sometimes they are stressful because you're like, my gosh, get out of here, get out of here. But I have to be in the right head space for them and I have to have the time to sit and watch them. So I get where you're coming from. It's harder to commit.

Holly Constant (01:06:37.73)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:06:52.761)
Yeah. Yeah.

Right, it was like Breaking Bad, where it was like, you can't look away, but also like, it's so stressful, but it was also so good. Yeah, so, which is the same I think for a lot of these shows, like Yellowstone, same. But anyway, so great job Ryan Dorsey, and he looks much different now, because doesn't he have a, does he have a mustache in this episode? I can't remember. He just, no, okay, he has like a little bit more, maybe he has a mustache now. Maybe that's what it is.

Madi (01:07:02.611)
So good, but so heavy. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Madi (01:07:19.086)
No, no. More hair. Yeah, he has like, it's long-ish hair in this one. Yep.

Holly Constant (01:07:26.627)
Yeah. Well, anyway, great job to him. That was a really funny choice. OK. yeah. OK. This next moment is this awkward moment. This is I don't like this part where it's like this awkward meeting of Anne and Chris in the hallway after they've slept together. And I just they don't say anything to each other. Like, why can't it be like awkward, but also like, wow, last night was wild. I could see Anne saying that.

Madi (01:07:52.716)
Yeah, absolutely. I hate, I have the note written. I hate this so much because, yeah, we're on the same page. It's a, for me, Chris and Anne are two, they're like the mom and the dad of the group. If we take Ron out of it, Ron's like the angry grandpa.

Holly Constant (01:07:58.723)
I wrote no with like five O's.

Like, no. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:08:13.699)
Yeah, that's such a great, that's a great idea. Yeah, great.

Madi (01:08:17.352)
And I would expect more from mom and dad, you're saying, last night was wild. Like it doesn't have to be a comfortable, don't act like it never happened, you know, but like to just literally be like, we'll walk halfway to each other. Like, why did we stop at the end of the hallways, like children, and then like we're in this awkward teenage phase of now we've met and now we're like, no, we're not going to talk about it. You know, I'm glad that it gets resolved to a point.

but I just, I'm sitting at this and I'm like, I expect more from both of you. So.

Holly Constant (01:08:53.397)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, and it doesn't even have to be like talking about last night You know what I'm saying? Like it could literally just be like hey like an awkward Hi How are you? Right

Madi (01:08:58.241)
Yeah.

Madi (01:09:04.04)
they didn't even have to stop. They could have literally just like nodded at each other and kept walking. That would have been better to me.

Holly Constant (01:09:10.145)
Yes, yeah, I agree. Yeah, so weird. Anyway, okay, so now Tom is talking to Ron about being the new Jerry and Tom is really sad because he says he already was a Jerry at one point. He was a skinny Indian kid in South Carolina, which is actually Aziz's origin. He's from South Carolina. So that's funny that they wrote that in. And I wonder, I don't know. I mean, I can imagine being a skinny Indian kid in the South. Like that's fucking crazy.

Madi (01:09:28.45)
It is,

Yeah.

Madi (01:09:37.762)
Yeah. Yeah. He's like, I don't want to go back. This is like what we talked about earlier, right? Like we are adults. This is kid behavior that we're bullying someone and, he's being pulled back into that like school behavior. Yeah. And he thought he escaped it, right? He's a working adult who wears front great call out. yeah, but you know, I think I would also feel that way. Like,

Holly Constant (01:09:38.383)
You know what mean? So.

Holly Constant (01:09:46.532)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:09:50.341)
trauma.

Holly Constant (01:09:56.303)
He wears fur underwear. Dope suits.

Madi (01:10:06.199)
I lived this. I don't want to go back to that. So I feel bad for him.

Holly Constant (01:10:10.478)
Mm-hmm, yeah, 100%. And I do, mean, Ron is harsh, but I do kind of, I don't know, like 5 % see, like, get, like, Tom's kind of an adult, so I don't really know what my role is here, you know what I mean? But Ron is so good at whatever, at what he does, so I love the ending, how that will get there when we get to the end, but he did a great job.

Madi (01:10:23.768)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:10:36.345)
Also, I was gonna say this is kind of a random side note, but I don't really understand how he's running his business and still working full time at City Hall. Like, does he only open the shop on weekends? Like, I don't get it.

Madi (01:10:47.542)
I don't either, if I'm being honest. I don't know if he has some sort of deal where he's in from seven in the morning to three, and then when school lets out, he's out there because that's when kids would be there. Yeah, but I don't know. That's a good point. We learned that he has an employee later, but there's so much that goes into running a business outside of in boots on the ground, handling them, customers.

Holly Constant (01:11:00.089)
Yeah. Or maybe he does it at night. That's a good call. I didn't think about that. That's a lot.

Holly Constant (01:11:14.745)
Also, his employee was like Mona Lisa, so how much is she really doing? So like, what? Right. Anyway, I just thought that was a wild side note that he was just at City Hall talking about being an entrepreneur, and I was like, wait a second. Anyway. Okay, so now we get to the breakfast song.

Madi (01:11:16.844)
Right? Also fair.

He's still doing most of the work, yeah.

Madi (01:11:29.901)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:11:34.075)
Eggs, bacon, and toast is happening. It's so good. Leslie is super awkward at this, you know. With anyone else, I feel like she would just have such a great time with this. You know what I mean? It's so funny to see this, like, weird contrast. Um, I asked who... Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

Madi (01:11:34.113)
Yay.

Madi (01:11:42.444)
Yeah.

Madi (01:11:46.946)
Yeah, it's very interesting. So un-Leslie. I just said so un-Leslie to me.

Holly Constant (01:11:53.975)
Yeah, especially singing about breakfast, come on. Right. And then I wrote, or I was writing in my notes, like who wrote this song? Like I'm very intrigued. Jim O'Hare says that he remembers getting a recording to learn of this song. So someone must have made the melody and I'm guessing it's Mark Rivers because he wrote all the Mouse Rat stuff and.

Madi (01:11:56.256)
Yeah, why is she not like jamming out to this?

Madi (01:12:06.477)
Yeah.

Madi (01:12:11.318)
Okay.

Madi (01:12:15.776)
Mm-hmm. It's catchy.

Holly Constant (01:12:19.117)
It's so catchy and it's so, mean, the writers most certainly, I'm sure wrote the lyrics because I feel like the writers can absolutely handle that. And then I did ask Norm, I emailed him, because like I said, he was so good at responding. So was like, let me just see. I was like, do you have any memories of this song at all? And he essentially was like, no. He was basically like, no, I don't really remember what happened with that song, but maybe the writers did it. I don't know. It's like, okay.

Madi (01:12:39.382)
Madi (01:12:47.632)
my gosh, it's so funny because that lives in all of our heads rent free, but he's like, no.

Holly Constant (01:12:53.007)
He's like, no, was just casual, whatever. And he literally wrote this episode. It's like, norm. But that's also the email where he talked about how people thought that Jerry's retirement was like Jim getting written off the show. So like that was a good nugget for me from that email. yeah, think I'm going to say in the lore of Parks that Mark Rivers probably did the melody or maybe even Mike Schurr to be honest, because they've got.

Madi (01:12:57.026)
Yeah.

Madi (01:13:07.192)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:13:14.99)
It's a good guess.

Holly Constant (01:13:18.568)
know, talents as well. But it's catchy as hell and it was great and we love it.

also did you notice there was like, don't know if it was meaning to do this or if people were like, I don't know, like just had different tones, but there felt like there was a harmony in it.

Madi (01:13:35.523)
there is. I'm pretty sure they're singing harmonies. Yeah, it sounds great.

Holly Constant (01:13:36.571)
Yeah. Yeah. So when Jim said like there was, that's what I was thinking. I was like, cause when Jim said that he was sent something like a melody to learn, I was like, wonder if they sent them harmonies too to learn and all the girls had to learn it. And I'm like, I can see that happening. That's so crazy.

Madi (01:13:55.318)
Yeah, I could also see people being talented enough that, mean, we could have done this in school, right? If somebody gave you the melody and said, Maddie harmonize or vice versa, right? We could make that happen. So maybe they just said, you harmonize, go.

Holly Constant (01:14:01.072)
Totally.

Holly Constant (01:14:08.399)
Right.

Holly Constant (01:14:12.181)
And it's a nice build to their musical talents from when they're you know, at Christmas and singing at Christmas. So it makes total sense. They're so, I know, that's what I wrote. I was like, every morning, that seems insane. We sing that every morning. It's so cute.

Madi (01:14:16.022)
Yes, at Christmas.

Yep. They're just such a happy family. Like this is what you sing every morning.

Madi (01:14:29.23)
Yeah. Yeah. I think you have to build that into your routine before you leave for the day.

Holly Constant (01:14:35.212)
Right. I did reach out to Jerry's daughters like when we first met them a while ago, but I haven't heard back. So I was like, I'll just leave them be because I know that they're like, you know, doing stuff. But I will just say that their names are Malia Beth Johnson, Katie Gill, and then Sarah Wright, who plays Millie. And I follow, I think I follow all of them on Instagram, but I especially follow Sarah Wright because she had

Madi (01:14:51.555)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:14:57.987)
a little bit more episodes, so I was just like trying to get in touch with her. And she's a good follow. She's really interesting. She's married to somebody. She's married to an actor that was very prominent, I feel, in like the 90s teen movies, for the life of me, won't remember his name. But anyway, he's fun. And then of course, our goddess, Christie Brinkley, is Gail. So just wanted to shout out their actual names. So Leslie presents the scrapbook with nearly four.

amazing pages. Gail gets very PDA with Jerry and that's cute but kind of also weird at the same time but also very cute. And my gosh this is the part where everybody freaks out where Leslie drops a cup and Jerry catches it and then tosses it in the air and catches it again.

Madi (01:15:42.188)
Yeah, this, the first time I ever saw it, mind blowing.

Holly Constant (01:15:46.97)
Yes, it was so smooth. Like what? Which is how you know that Jim O'Hare was a great actor as playing Jerry, the dorky goob. Apparently Jim said he wanted to catch it with his pinky, know how like the handle of his pinky, but he's just gonna make that work, so they just caught it regularly. Which I still, that would be way extra. I still feel like it looked smooth the way he did it, so.

Madi (01:15:49.078)
Yeah, so well done.

Madi (01:15:55.468)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Madi (01:16:04.748)
Yeah.

That would be extra.

Madi (01:16:14.69)
Yeah, when I think, I think with it being that still attainable to the normal human to catch a mug like that is like, my gosh, he's been able to be a normal human this whole time. You know, it's like attainable, right? The way she, yeah, the way Amy presents that line is wonderful and relatable and hilarious.

Holly Constant (01:16:27.813)
Totally. Yeah, and Leslie's like, where am I? That's so real. I think that's what all the audience is thinking.

Holly Constant (01:16:39.077)
So yeah, totally. Like smiling through it, like this is nice, but also what the fuck? You know? And the whole family's clapping for him. It's so cute. I do, I love this next moment so much. And I think it's such a good lesson for us all that Jerry says he knows he didn't achieve all of his goals because Leslie just keeps harping on the fact that like I wanted to give you.

Madi (01:16:45.954)
Yeah. Yeah. So cute.

Holly Constant (01:17:04.771)
so much more for your retirement and show you that you could have accomplished all these things and blah, blah. But Jerry's like the best part of working at the parks department was he got to come home at 5 p.m. and be with his family every night and that's what matters most. And the scrapbooks of work are not the most important things. He has like 800 bajillion scrapbooks and photo albums of his family and those are filled and important. And it's such a good reminder that like.

Madi (01:17:16.334)
Mm.

Holly Constant (01:17:29.455)
Like you said, we do spend so much time at work more than we would spend at home, which is wild to think about. But that's not the most important part of our life. mean, like, or it can't, it doesn't have to be the most important part of your life. You know what I mean? It's not everything.

Madi (01:17:33.614)
Hmm. Yeah.

Madi (01:17:44.14)
Yeah. Yeah. And I, I love this because I think, I think Jerry's a good example of someone who loved his job. He liked going to work, but he liked being home more and he didn't want to put himself in a position one day where he couldn't be home at that time. And he had to work too much. And I think, I think that's just so, so beautiful. I think that's an imbalance we have in this country.

Holly Constant (01:17:48.591)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:17:54.565)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:18:03.6)
Right.

Madi (01:18:12.034)
that success is seen as, I think we're getting better definitely than when I was a kid, but there's this success is how high you up in your company you are, not how you are with your family.

Holly Constant (01:18:25.997)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, just like achieve, achieve, achieve kind of vibes. yeah, so the more you do that, the less time you have for your family and it's a whole like balance thing. So I love this photo album of Muncie, by the way, like it's literally like engraved in the photo album. It's so cute because that's his most favorite place to go with his favorite people. mean, this makes and I think I know it's like a little bit.

Madi (01:18:30.254)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:18:39.778)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:18:51.971)
like, well, it's just building on what we've already learned because without this home life, Jerry would not be a character that I would be like excited to see all the time. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm really glad that they balanced this out and I'm really, I mean, this is what, that's kind of the point of it too. Like to have the Christie Brinkley wife, to have the beautiful girls and like, this is why he can put up with all the shit at work because he knows he's gonna go home to his loving family. it's lovely.

Madi (01:19:01.166)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Madi (01:19:15.725)
Yeah.

Madi (01:19:19.488)
Absolutely, yeah.

Holly Constant (01:19:21.947)
I mean, not saying that people should be having to put up with anything. Just saying. But for this purpose, that, you know.

Madi (01:19:25.228)
Right. Yeah.

Maybe that's why it's harder for Tom too. He goes home and he doesn't have a family at home. Not that that's not, he doesn't have a fulfilling life outside of it. I just don't think he's found his purpose outside of work yet.

Holly Constant (01:19:33.253)
That's fair.

Holly Constant (01:19:41.133)
Yeah, that's fair. Anyways, okay. Yeah, then this group hug attack moment is happening and Leslie just slips out of the hug. It's really hilarious to me. And okay, so now Ann, okay, this part kind of makes me mad. Not mad, but like, you'll see. So Ann is going to Chris's office and finally is like, okay, let's be adults.

Madi (01:19:51.243)
Yeah, saying and bye.

Holly Constant (01:20:05.795)
and talk about this and Chris is relieved and we're finally getting to that point where we're like, okay, let's have a conversation. And I feel like she says like two sentences and then they make out. And I'm like, that's all?

Madi (01:20:16.78)
Yeah. Yeah, they didn't. That's why I said they came to an agreement to a point or we concluded to a point where she acknowledged that there needs to be conversation, right? Like we can't bring a kid into this world and make things really confusing, right? Like if we're not going to be together, like we should not be together from the beginning. Because, you know, I think that's great. I mean, you know what I did for years, like not a lot of parents think through that stuff.

Holly Constant (01:20:46.619)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:20:46.97)
and some people do and things just don't work out, which is also, you know, a real life that happens, but they're in a situation where they have the ability to have this conversation and they don't have it, but they at least identify that it's something they do need to talk about. And I'm like, thank God, this is at least a better solution than you walking around each other in the hallway.

Holly Constant (01:20:53.625)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:21:10.691)
Yeah, that's true. The acknowledgement is probably more important than anything at this point in time. You know what I'm saying? That like ideally if we can, so she says if we can provide a home with two parents that are together, that would be great. On again, off again isn't ideal. So they say they should talk about it. And so they have, I guess they've just now come to the point where we need to talk about it, which again to me is like, okay, well you could just talk about it.

Madi (01:21:17.24)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:21:39.362)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:21:40.943)
But the acknowledgement is important too. So, and like you said, at the beginning of this journey that they're going on, like you said, can have a, like they are capable of making a decision of, you know, at the beginning, which can be helpful. you know, I don't know, dude. I'm just, just trying to keep going with this story.

Madi (01:21:53.965)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:22:04.874)
Yeah. But I have to tell you, Holly, like I've been worried about these episodes from the beginning of us starting this podcast because I've always felt this way about this relationship and how it ends up happening and all this stuff. And so when we started talking about it and you were like, this frustrates me. was like, heck yeah. I'm not alone. I was like ready to defend how I was feeling.

Holly Constant (01:22:07.695)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:22:16.399)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:22:24.251)
We are not

my god, no, many Parks fans feel the very same way as us. I'm telling you, some people are very, like, well, I was about to say, some people are very passionate, but I am included in those some people.

Madi (01:22:32.226)
Yeah.

Madi (01:22:38.454)
Yeah, we are very passionate about this.

Holly Constant (01:22:42.248)
Yeah dude, we are not alone. It's very, weird. I don't know what the word is, but it's something that I'm just trying to get through.

Madi (01:22:46.934)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, I know we just got to get through it. We're so close.

Holly Constant (01:22:58.363)
so hard about it and I love this show so like because especially now you know I didn't love Chris at the beginning not many people did or maybe they did but I personally was not like the biggest fan of him it was too much too fast and but now he's like really grown and the character arc and the development of going to therapy and like combining your physical and mental health like

Madi (01:22:59.586)
Yeah.

Madi (01:23:19.02)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:23:19.291)
and the way he speaks to people is just like, so much light years ahead of where he was and it makes me really respect him and I really respect Anne now and so I just really feel like the meshing of those two growths, if you will, developments could have just been so much better. But at the same time, I'm not a fucking writer so I don't like.

Madi (01:23:25.762)
Yeah.

Madi (01:23:35.138)
better.

Madi (01:23:39.978)
Yeah, right. I don't know how I would have done it differently.

Holly Constant (01:23:42.883)
I don't know. mean, it's not like I was in the writer's room and I'm very grateful for the people that were. So it's like, you know, you just, every show has its flaws and this is not, like, this is, guess the biggest thing we're worrying about. That's fine. But I also feel like with Anne, especially, wasn't, I'm not sure that they know exactly what to do with her. Like we talked about because, you know, like she was following all her boyfriends and now she's more confident. And now Ben is like Leslie's foil.

Madi (01:23:48.439)
Yeah.

Madi (01:24:04.173)
Mm-hmm.

Holly Constant (01:24:12.717)
Anne is no longer the only foil to her. So I think that they just got, I don't know, maybe a little bit like, what do we do? Yeah, and I think in the next season, when we see these new characters kinda come in, it's next season, right? I don't think it's the last season. Crazy Greg, what's his name? Shit, Craig. When Craig comes in, it's like that.

Madi (01:24:17.315)
Mm-hmm.

Madi (01:24:22.912)
Yeah. How do we round this out?

Madi (01:24:38.968)
Craig. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:24:41.999)
those characters needed to come in to give us some like new blood kind of vibes, I feel. Even if it was only for a new, like a couple episodes, like they did in the office when they brought in the interns, that was like literally one episode, but it like made it to me seem a little bit more fresh and bringing in Erin and all these other things. So yeah, I mean, that's just like my nerdy rant about it, but I, it's like Star Wars for, I think for people, it's like, nobody's going to be happy all of the time, you know? It's just like.

Madi (01:24:46.166)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Madi (01:24:56.322)
Yeah.

Madi (01:25:09.677)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:25:11.747)
It is what it is, but.

Madi (01:25:12.598)
Yeah, they did their best with what they could.

Holly Constant (01:25:15.515)
Okay, so Jerry comes back because Ron is nice and hires him back to come back a few hours a week to be the Jerry of the office. He doesn't say that essentially, but he, you know, is gonna come back so that Tom doesn't have to be the Jerry. And I do love that line, because Tom is like, I don't know about this. And Ron is like, anyone will get to talk to him about anything he might do or say or fart.

Madi (01:25:37.826)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:25:40.155)
Welcome back, Jerry!

Madi (01:25:40.302)
feel like you needed that last one. Yeah, you needed that last one for it to click in for Tom.

Holly Constant (01:25:44.845)
Right, and immediately Jerry falls and makes a Jerry moment, which is also Jim O'Hara stunt work. trips. Him and Andy, or him and Pratt do a lot of falls. Classic new guy, says Andy. So funny. Okay, so this is a nice part where we're wrapping up where Leslie does say sorry and apologizes to Ben about not spending time with him on their day off. He says he watched Fringe to check for plot holes, but as I suspected, airtight. Did you ever watch that show?

Madi (01:25:53.805)
Yeah.

Madi (01:26:12.044)
Yeah. No.

Holly Constant (01:26:14.541)
I didn't either. just looked it up because I was not familiar with it. It's an FBI show and it started in 2008 so it was around this time but it was created by JJ Abrams or he was one of the creators so I was like okay Ben that's why. Of course he's into it.

Madi (01:26:24.832)
Okay. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. That checks out.

Holly Constant (01:26:32.559)
But I love that Jerry taught Leslie this lesson about family and life. And she's like, let's take a real day off and talk about starting our family. And I love Ben's reaction. Adam Scott plays this so well where he's just like, like kind of shocked for a little bit. But then he smiles and it's like, yeah, I mean, I'd love that. It'd be great. And yeah, I just feel like that's a really good reminder. It was like.

Madi (01:26:36.61)
Yeah.

Madi (01:26:45.856)
Yeah.

Madi (01:26:50.092)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:26:55.833)
I don't know, just emotionally for us all to remind ourselves who we like spending our time with and how we can be the happiest and to make that a priority because life is just so short and I think if you can create memories with the people that you love and that make you feel loved, it's like that's the most important thing that we have to offer. Life is just so precious and it's important. You know what I mean?

Madi (01:27:05.101)
Yeah.

Madi (01:27:15.586)
Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, short and precious. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:27:23.157)
so I love that they show that and I love that because I think this is our first time that we've ever really heard Leslie talk about a family. I mean, she talks about it kind of in passing where she's like our kids, like when she's, I don't know, when she talks about like her life in the future kind of thing, but it's never been like a full on like, I want to be a mom vibe. You know what I'm saying? It's always just been kind of a given that I'm going to get married, have kids, I'm going to be the president. You know what I mean? so this is, this is a nice little.

Madi (01:27:31.661)
Yeah.

Madi (01:27:43.459)
Yeah.

Madi (01:27:48.302)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:27:51.885)
nod to like what what might happen in the future.

Madi (01:27:55.158)
Right. Yeah, that's very cool.

Holly Constant (01:27:58.107)
Yeah, well then Ben tries to make sense of Jerry and Gail and it doesn't make sense. He's like, did you find anything out, like any reason why this would happen? Does she have a brain disorder? Does she think Jerry is a friendly hat? And I don't know, I feel like this is like, I don't know again, it's too deep, but I feel like this is kind of mean to think that there's no possible way that a hot girl could be with this guy.

Madi (01:28:02.446)
I

Madi (01:28:18.508)
Right. Yeah, I know. It's like you don't know people's relationships.

Holly Constant (01:28:24.347)
Also, you don't know Jerry. You've seen him at the Christmas party. You see that he's a different guy than what he is at work. So now you're just basing it off of his looks probably, right? I don't know. But I get it. I do see people, I know, well, I don't know anyone offhand, but I think I've seen it before where you meet them for the first time and you're like, they don't seem like they would mesh well together, but you don't know.

Madi (01:28:28.856)
Yeah.

Madi (01:28:35.64)
Yeah.

Madi (01:28:52.021)
Mm hmm. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:28:52.761)
lives if it's working for them it's working for them shut up

Madi (01:28:56.236)
Yeah. Ben, you're spending way too much energy on this.

Holly Constant (01:29:01.419)
Yes, you're just thinking too much. I love Leslie's kind of shut down of like, yeah, I think you solved it.

Madi (01:29:06.764)
Yeah. We'll end there.

Holly Constant (01:29:08.571)
But I do love Adam Scott and Amy Poehler together. They're just like so cute and perfect.

Madi (01:29:12.834)
My gosh, yeah, their chemistry and everything is so great.

Holly Constant (01:29:16.343)
It's lovely. Okay, I think I have one last note here. I wrote on this note back when they met, I'm assuming, like remember when we saw the old Parks IDs when Tom was trying to do like the 70s retro vibe for the Parks? I feel like his ID was like cute. Like, you know, it wasn't like model-y, but it was cute and handsome. And so...

Madi (01:29:34.176)
Yeah.

Madi (01:29:42.124)
Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:29:44.059)
like they have clearly been together for a while. So if you are basing it off of looks, maybe we don't think about now. Yeah, maybe we, yeah. And also, stop it. But anyway, so that's my last note. Do you have any other notes? Okay. Well that was Jerry's retirement. Don't forget to rate, review, subscribe, share with all your friends.

Madi (01:29:47.01)
Yeah.

Madi (01:29:51.512)
what he looked like when he was 20.

Madi (01:29:57.494)
Yeah. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:30:12.057)
Very exciting that we're rounding out season five. What a journey.

Madi (01:30:16.482)
What a journey it's been. Yeah, it's been a long, I don't mean this in a bad way, it's been a long season.

Holly Constant (01:30:22.587)
agree with that, actually. I looked back because, you know, I go on IMDB to, look at all the characters and whatever, and I was, looking through season five, and I was like, the first season of this was Miss Snoop Goes to Washington, or first episode, and I was like, that feels like ages ago. This was also back in the times when episodes had literally, like, 24 episodes, which is gnarly to me.

Madi (01:30:34.328)
Yeah.

Madi (01:30:38.094)
Forever, yeah, forever ago.

Madi (01:30:45.526)
Yeah, I know. I'm glad they don't do that anymore. Yeah, I liked it like when we had it that way. But like now it's just hard to keep up with how much is going on. Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:30:56.47)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I mean, that's also lot of the reasons why, from what I hear, again, I'm not an expert for why it crews and stuff were working so long and so crazy nights because they had to get that amount of stuff in. So I don't know how that changed. mean, streamers changed a lot of shit. That's really the main point because streamers were like, we don't fucking care. You know what I mean? But anyway, so thank you guys for listening. And I hope that you have a wonderful week or whenever you're listening to this.

Madi (01:31:06.774)
Yeah.

Madi (01:31:11.308)
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah.

Holly Constant (01:31:24.953)
and we'll see you on the next one.

Madi (01:31:26.894)
See you next time.